# Which country is more cruelly racist, US or SA?

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**Created:** [December 12, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-country-is-more-cruelly-racist-us-or-sa/676136 "2013-12-12T03:36:18Z")\
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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [December 16, 2013, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-country-is-more-cruelly-racist-us-or-sa/676136/37 "2013-12-16T08:19:18Z")

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> [@Chen019](#):
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> OTOH, I understand South Africa has seen nearly 3000 white Afrikaaner farmers murdered by blacks since 1994? [These aren’t just economically motivated killings, they appear to be driven by racial hatred](http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/the-gruesome-reality-of-racist-south-africa/).

Yeah, an article titled “Genocide and \*\*Communism \*\*Threaten South Africa” is going to be my source for hard facts too. The '80s are very retro right now. Stanton’s downgraded SA to a 5 again, BTW. Not that he’s without his critics - remember when he was hounded out of the State Department for banging the genocide drum re: Iran/Israel? Everything looks like a genocidal nail to him. Never mind that the SA murder rate is now[much lower than it was](http://mg.co.za/article/2013-10-10-are-sa-whites-really-being-killed-like-flies) before Apartheid ended. Like that article shows, race baiters use distorted statistics and even outright made-up numbers to attempt to make their points (Hey, just noticed it’s kind of like how Rushton just outright made up his own stats too. This seems to be a pattern for you, not being able to tell good statistics from crap.)

And I’ve covered the farm murders [enough times](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12123241&postcount=40) on this Board. And it was \*you \*posting bullshit then, too. How many times are you going to post the same race-baiting shit, before you see it doesn’t stick? And I’d love a cite for that “boiling water down the throat” attack. It’s not one I’ve read about. (One that comes from a journalist, not from a racist site like censorbugbear or thetruthaboutsouthafrica.)

Note I’m not denying farm attacks happen, and that often there’s brutality involved (people tortured to reveal where their valuable are, for instance, or killed to remove any witnesses) - I’m denying it’s primarily or majorly racially _motivated_. Simple fact is - Whites own all the farms. If people are going to get attacked on farms, it’s going to be Whites.

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