Which DSLR should I buy my wife?

No Canon or Nikon dSLRs have stabilized sensors. All Pentax, Oly, and Sony dSLRs do. Canon and Nikon are committed to lens-based stabilization.

With a $1000 budget, I’d stick with the cheapest body in a lineup and spend more on lenses and accessories, which add up very quickly. I would not necessarily restrict consideration to Canon and Nikon. I would not consider an Olympus dSLR, as they seem to be throwing all their eggs into their mirrorless m4/3 Pen series, but Pentax and Sony both make competent systems that are lots complete enough for anyone but the most serious amateur photographer. Lens selections in both mounts is vast as both have been around forever (Sony accepts Minolta lenses). Pentax is one of the few companies that has made some really nifty lenses for the crop-sized dSLR sensors, such as the DA 40mm f/2.8 pancake.

In all cases you can save a bundle of money buying used or new but discontinued models. Since somewhere around the 6 megapixel generations, even entry-level dSLRs have been sufficiently capable that they are extremely unlikely to be the limiting factor in the photographer/camera combo. Some more recent models have notable feature boosts, though, so do a bit of homework to see what you save vs what you lose if you go with old models.

I’ll restrict specific suggestions to Nikon since I don’t know other systems as well: I’d go with the D3100 (a significant step up from the D3000, which was a barely-retreaded D60). In a kit it will come with an 18-55VR, which is suprisingly good optically even if it is kinda plastic. For indoor shots of kids, you’ll want the DX 35mm f/1.8 which gives you the same “standard” angle of vision as the ubiquitous 50mm kit lenses on old film bodies. The 55-200VR, 55-300VR, and 70-300VR provide a nice range of telephoto options depending on your budget. If you go used, a D40 or D60 are viewed as very good beginner’s cameras (I have a D40 and quite like it) and can likely be had for prices that would allow you to add flash, tripod, and other such goodies into the budget.

I personally found a superzoom to be extremely frustrating. It’s got a number of extreme limitations:
-small sensor equates to large depth of field, meaning that you can’t do the isolate your subject by blowing the background out of focus thing (though it should be noted that greater depth of field can be an advantage in macro shots)
-small sensor also equates to much poorer low light performance, leading to grainy crap if you ever push the ISO setting

  • shutter lag can make shooting moving subjects an exercise in frustration
    -motorized focus and zoom make you feel much less connected to composing than using focus and zoom rings on a dSLR
    -optical viewfinder is miles and miles ahead of the electronic viewfinder in a superzoom

They’re great if you’re using them in good light and want the telephoto range without the price of dSLR telephoto lenses, but if you want a camera capable of taking shots of moving toddlers being cute indoors they’re not going to touch a dSLR with a kit zoom, let alone with a f/1.4 or f/1.8 prime.

DSLRs take better pictures and can take gigantically better ones: agreed

-DOF is a problem, but again, in real life for hobbyists/regular guy, 99% of the time it isn’t. You can get more-than-decent bokeh with a bit of practice

  • A reduced low-light capability is an issue, but Sony kicks ass. The new multi-shot setting for low light is very smart.
  • Viewfinders are a bigger issue, but getting better.

Indoor-kid-pics are great at least with my camera and I can go from kid-on-the-sofa to tropical-kingbird-harassing-a-hawk in no time.

My first point is that for less than 1/3 of the money you get 95% of the quality and 300% more practicality. My second is that, you to get the good pictures DSLRs are capable of you need lots of practice. It’s sad to see DSLRs in the hands of people who are in AUTO all the time with the kit lens and spending $2000.

Depth of field is a critical component of good photography; without the ability to closely control it, you are hugely limited.

Here and here are two photos I took a few weeks ago. The shallow depth of field is essential to bringing out the subjects of the photos. The fire truck stands out far more against a blurred brown background than it would if all of the branches of the trees were clearly distinguishable. Likewise, the horse would not look nearly as distinctive with the background fully in focus.

I ONLY use manual mode on my camera (a Nikon D70s) because that is how I was taught, in high school photography class nine years ago. Now, some people might like the convenience of being able to not have to worry about the specific aperture, shutter speed, ISO, etc, but after a while they may want a higher degree of control. They can’t get this with a non-DSLR.

The issue of money seems to be overblown in this thread. I bought my camera on eBay for 380 dollars and it came with 2 Sigma lenses (18-55 and 70-300) and one Nikkor (55-200). I also recently bought a Nikon 50mm 1.8f lens, for fifty dollars. That’s less than 500 dollars, and for right now it is all the gear I really need. You don’t have to spend 1000 dollars to get a good DSLR.

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Well thisand this. The saffron finch was in front of my house and the eggret was on the side of the road. First shot with a Sony H50 and the second with an HX1, both with nice blurred backgrounds..
Again, DSLRs take better pictures, but superzomms P&S get you excellent results.
You’re right about the price thing.

I disagree with this. You get 95% of the quality if you’re taking a shot in the superzoom’s best case - brightly lit where large depth of field is desired. If you stray away from that scenario, you fall below 95% quickly, and in some areas so far below the results are hardly usable. And I don’t see where you get 300% more practicality. You do lose the hassle of changing lenses (though you can get wide-range zooms for your dSLR as well) and you get a more compact package which can be significant, but you lose a lot of controlability. Unless your camera is dramatically different than the superzooms I’ve played with, modifying even fairly basic settings involves navigating through menus. On a dSLR, common settings will be hold a button and spin the control dial. Perhaps you could say that for a snapshooter the superzoom is more practical, but if you’re interested in photography as a hobby as the OP stipulates, it is far more practical to use a dSLR. Pretty much by definition, someone interested in photography as a hobby isn’t setting the camera to A and mashing the shutter release.

WTF is it with Imageshack lately? It used to always display everything I put up on it.

Anyway, here are the pics on a different site: Horse and Fire Chief.

Depth of field is determined by three things - focal length, aperture, and distance to focal point. Longer focal lengths, wider apertures, and shorter distance to focal point all make for narrower depth of field. The reason compact cameras as a class have greater depth of field is that for any given field of vision they will use much shorter focal lengths than a dSLR will. However, you can certainly use the long end of your zoom to give you a bit of background blur, as we see in these samples. But those backgrounds aren’t blurred. This background is blurred. :stuck_out_tongue: You’re going to have a hard time duplicating the depth of field in that shot (focal length 150mm, f/2.8, focal distance somewhere around 2’) with a superzoom.

I believe you will find that at the focal lengths you’ll be using to take shots of kids in a cluttered indoor environment with the small apertured superzoom (relative to an f/1.8 lens), you just won’t get a whole lot of subject isolation through selective focus. If you like, I could do a simulation of the difference.

Wanted or not, the idea of a demonstration intrigued me, so I made one. Since most people don’t live in show homes, indoor shots of kids will usually have a cluttered background. This makes most shots of kids indoors look more like snapshots and less like portraits. The more you can blow the background out of focus, the more you can focus attention on the subject of your photo and the more portraity it will feel. Since I didn’t have a kid handy, I give you Portrait of a Bear with Bookshelf, in 4 parts. The scene is lit in typical indoor fashion with a couple compact flourescents and a smidge of natural light coming through a blind. A stuffed bear stands in for a portrait subject, and a bookshelf provides the cluttered background. To the right of the shot, it’s at about 1.5x subject distance from the camera, and at the top left it’s at about 3x subject distance.

The sample dSLR shot is a D40 with a 50mm f/1.4 lens. This gives you a 35mm equivalent fov of 75mm, just a hair short of the classic 85mm portrait lenses for film. Because f/1.4 is a bit expensive, I’ve stopped down to f/1.8 to demonstrate what you can get with a ~$100 lens, the old film kit 50mm f/1.8. By pushing ISO up to 800, I can get a 1/60s shutter speed using only available light, so no flash is required. 800 is pushing it just slightly on a D40, though you can’t tell with the downsized web resolution. A current body like the D3100 will give you this clean a look up through ISO3200, so you could get a little more shutter speed yet - to freeze a running kid you’d want 1/250 at least, and you could get there at f/1.8 and ISO3200 in this rather dim lighting. Do note that this picture gains a bit of apparent sharpness by being downsized significantly.

To simulate an HX1, we calculate what focal length we’d use for the same field of vision, and this works out to 13.5mm. Now I can do 13.5mm with my Sigma 10-20mm, but unfortunately at 13.5mm its max aperture is f/4.8. I’m not positive where the Sony will be at 13.5mm, but it’s an f2.8-5.2 lens, so I’d guess in the vicinity of f/3.2. So I won’t be able to get an exact match, but a bit of fiddling with a DOF calculator tells us that 13.5mm f/3.2 has got about the same DOF as 16mm f/5.3. That I can do. Because ISO 800 on a superzoom is going to be rubbish, I go to ISO200 and repeat my shot. Then I crop it to the same field of vision. Voila! Oops! Because of the lower ISO and narrower aperture, my shutter speed is up over a second. The background is blurry, but because of camera movement rather than DOF. To be fair, the Sony would be at f/3.2 rather than f/5.3, but that would still put shutter speed at a third of a second.

However, the Sony does have image stabilization. To simulate this (since I don’t have a stabilized lens at such a short focal length) I stick the camera onto a tripod without locking it down and shoot again. Not bad, but we still have a bit of camera motion apparent. And you would have at these shutter speeds, even with image stabilization. Not to mention the bear isn’t moving. If a child is motionless for a third of a second, she’s either asleep or physically restrained. But now we can see the difference in DOF quite clearly. Where with the dSLR shot the book titles were an illegible smudge on the near end of the bookshelf on the right, and the books themselves were indistinguishable at the far end over the bear’s head, now we can pretty much read the titles on the right and edges are still pretty distinct even at the furthest point of the bookshelf, which is about 3x subject distance from the camera.

Realistically, to shoot indoors with a compact we’re going to have to turn on the flash. Finally all motion blur is gone and we can see clearly that we can see everything clearly. And the white balance is showing white as white, rather than with the nice warm cast I get using AutoWB in compact fluorescent lighting. We could get the warm cast back if we wanted it, but we’re going to be stuck with the flat, extremely front-lit look of a flash shot.

Now, you can decrease the DOF on the HX1 by using longer focal lengths, but by the time you’re at the required focal lengths your house won’t be big enough for you to get far enough back. There are a couple other tricks - one is to manipulate the ratio of distances by moving the subject closer to the camera so that the background ends up a greater multiple of subject distance. However, this works against using a longer focal length given the finite size of rooms. I believe you can also simulate bokeh effects in Photoshop, though I don’t know how effective that is.

As I said, DSLRs take better pics, particualry at the very close low light situations where f1.8 is godsend.
Your simulation is good but not quite. I’ve never found my HX1 lacking for what I need because I take lots of bird pics where “length” is very important. I’m looking forwrd to the HX100 and maybe later, in the DSLR department, for the A77 .

Thank you all for all of this great info. We had company, so I haven’t really been on the PC in a while and I hate replying on my iPhone; all of your information is great.

I was really, really close to just going and buying her the Nikon D3100 and a good flash.

Then, yesterday morning, she told me that she’s pregnant again! Well, of course, she started freaking out about money (hey, we’re teachers!). While I was grinning ear-to-ear about her being pregnant, I told her that I have something that I want to get her for Motherversabirthmas, but now I need her to be fine with it. I reminded her that I have a Best Buy card that is two payments from paid off and gets 0% for 18 months on purchases over $500, and I told her about this thread.

We went out running some errands and swung by Best Buy before we came home. I had her pick up the Canon T2i and T3i and the Nikon D3100 (the D90 was locked in a display case with no sales people around). She *immediately[/] turned all of the settings on all three cameras to manual mode (test passed!) and spent about half an hour playing with all three. She loved the things she could do with DOF on all three, but vastly prefers the button layout on Canon cameras. She said the layout on the DSLRs is similar to her point-and-shoot cameras she’s owned, which have all been Canons. She also thinks the flip-out screen on the T3i is worth the extra $100.

We didn’t buy the camera yet. I’m going to watch the Sunday ads for a few weeks to see if they have any good bundles coming with the camera, plus get my card paid off before I charge it back up. I have a 10% Reward Zone coupon to use, so that will negate sales tax and give me a small discount on the sticker price.

Of course, the camera bundle is on the high end of my budget at $899. I can’t get her any additional lenses or even a separate flash yet. So now I have another question for you wonderful PhotogDopers: Do I need to get a Canon-brand flash? Or are there third-party flashes that are compatible and will work just as well?

I just went through this with basically your budget, and came up with the Rebel XSi as the solution. The money difference between the bodies is better spent on the lenses. Camera Body’s are on like a 2 year development cycle (or perhaps even faster), but the 50mm prime I bought probably has been the same for decades. It’s a better use of your money to buy a lens that you can use for the next 10 years than to pay the premium for slightly better body features.

dpreview has side by side comparisons of the photos from the XSi to the T2i and I’ll be damned if I can see any difference in quality. Even when they crop it to heck, the sharpness is the same. However, there is a noticeable difference with lenses. Even leaving behind quality, there are going to be pictures she is going to be missing with the limited DOF and zoom of the kit lens.

The only thing is the XSi doesn’t do video.

Another vote for used. I got the XSi as a LN- for 70 bucks less than new, and I’ll be damned if I can tell the difference between it and a new one. You can find the XSi for 420 dollars used or 500 with the kit lens. That opens up $500 bucks to go out and get a good lens or two. IMHO those lenses are going to be a heck of a lot more valuable in the long run than buying a slightly better new body.