# Which entries in the Star Wars franchise might I like? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [April 6, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954 "2024-04-06T21:20:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/21 "2024-04-07T14:27:30Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > _Solo_ wasted time answering a question no one wanted answered. And they answered it wrong! And even worse, you’re going to have to be more specific here. Just off the top of my head I can think of 4 or 5 things that could be described this way. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/22 "2024-04-07T14:38:16Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > But holy shit, the last scene is probably the best non-Empire Strikes Back footage ever filmed. Just watch THAT scene before firing up A New Hope and it will save you hours of your life and make A New Hope better. For those interested, here is that part of the movie. Peak Star Wars. Peak Vader. Amazingly good. HUGE SPOILERS in this 3.5 minute video! If you have not seen _Rogue One_ this scene alone could ruin it for you. I think the movie is well worth watching. For those who have seen the movie, this part never gets old. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/-bfJ3lnjN4U/maxresdefault.jpg "Darth Vader Rogue One Ending Scene 4K") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bfJ3lnjN4U) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/23 "2024-04-07T18:50:19Z")
Given the OP specifications I suspect Andor may not be one to recommend to them, as much as I loved it. It is in the SW universe but it is a very different feel. The portions that have to do with canon are the weakest bits. I’d go with most of the first season of Mando for the goofy fun feel of the originals and most of all Ahsoka’s arc in Clone Wars for some really good and more serious sided stuff. Rebels good too. Yes Rogue One. Not despite it’s tragedy nature though: that is its punch. Bad Batch is good too especially when they are not doing the pandering fan service bits. I’d probably pass on Obi Wan, Ahsoka, and definitely on Boba Fett. I’ve noted this previously but the cartoons are more appealing to adults and the live action, other than Andor, more to the kids. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/24 "2024-04-07T19:07:24Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Rogue One just doesn’t feel like a Star Wars movie. It feels exactly like the original. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/25 "2024-04-07T19:08:27Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > It feels exactly like the original. Does it? Because I don’t remember Luke killing an ally to keep information out of the Empire’s hands or the Blake’s Seven ending. They had the look down though. It was nice seeing the 70s haircuts and facial hair. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/26 "2024-04-07T19:10:00Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Does it? Because I don’t remember Luke killing an ally to keep information out of the Empire’s hands That was in one of Lucas’ extended cuts I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/27 "2024-04-07T20:28:09Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > For those interested, here is that part of the movie. Peak Star Wars. Peak Vader. Amazingly good. It’s like we saw different movies. I have absolutely no recollection of that. Obviously made no impression on me. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/28 "2024-04-07T20:40:21Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It’s like we saw different movies. I have absolutely no recollection of that. Obviously made no impression on me. I saw _Star Wars_ (now “_Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope_” but just _Star Wars_ back then) in 1977. I was 10 years-old when I saw it in the theater. I was used to Buck Rogers sci-fi with spaceships on strings for special effects and firecrackers used in laser guns. _Space: 1999_ was the really good sci-fi of the time. When I saw the opening scene of _Star Wars_ I was floored. That awesome space ship came in right over my head! And it was being shot at! Then, the Star Destroyer comes in and blows away what I already thought was the cool first spaceship! (funnily lampooned in _Spaceballs_ when Spaceball 1 enters the scene.) My jaw was on the floor, I was hooked. Later in the story they tell us many people died to get the information which is central to the movie _Star Wars_. 40+ years later they give us _Rogue One_ which explains all that and then, at the very end, neatly plugs into the “first” movie. It also does a really good job of explaining the Death Star’s Achille’s heel. Very cool. Also, we finally see how truly dangerous Darth Vader can be (and, by extension, most Jedis even if they are more restrained). It made an impression on me. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/29 "2024-04-07T22:35:20Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > you’re going to have to be more specific here. For me, it was the Kessel Run in less that 12 parsecs. I was HAPPY, dammit, thinking Solo was BSing Obi Wan in the cantina. He knew it. Obi Wan knew it and wasn’t biting. Then to say he was word-for-word accurate? Foolishness! ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/30 "2024-04-07T22:52:44Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > . Also, we finally see how truly dangerous Darth Vader can be (and, by extension, most Jedis even if they are more restrained). It made an impression on me. Exactly! We’ve seen Force users fight each other, or droids, but we’ve never seen them fight just regular guys. The visceral terror they felt, while still trying to win, was incredible. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/31 "2024-04-07T23:14:10Z")
Once we see what Vader did a few days earlier it gives a new perspective on the scene from the first movie where Darth Vader chokes a commander because he finds his “lack of faith disturbing.” _Rogue One_ made _Star Wars: A New Hope_ a better movie. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/YnNSnJbjdws/maxresdefault.jpg "Darth Vader "I find your lack of faith disturbing" - HD1080p - Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnNSnJbjdws) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/32 "2024-04-07T23:22:10Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > We’ve seen Force users fight each other, or droids, but we’ve never seen them fight just regular guys. In _Attack of the Clones_, both [Obi-Wan Kenobi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMZdrUx8eM) and [Mace Windu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTc0LRwpul8) fought Jango Fett, in separate combats. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/33 "2024-04-07T23:29:53Z")
Jango wasn’t exactly a “regular guy”, that’s why he was chosen as the clone army’s genetic source. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/34 "2024-04-07T23:32:39Z")
Aren’t there people in the Star Wars universe who are force sensitive but not Jedi? People like Jango Fett are especially good at their job because they instinctively plug into the force a bit. But, as we see, no match 1v1 versus a trained Jedi. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/35 "2024-04-07T23:59:46Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Jango wasn’t exactly a “regular guy”, that’s why he was chosen as the clone army’s genetic source. Apologies – when you said “regular guys,” I thought you were contrasting against “Force users,” generally, and didn’t realize that you weren’t thinking about highly-skilled “normal” warriors like Fett, but just “normal cannon fodder troops.” > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Aren’t there people in the Star Wars universe who are force sensitive but not Jedi? Sure; in the Expanded Universe, there were a number of other Force-using traditions, though most are now classified as non-canonical. But, the Witches of Dathomir (which originated in the Expanded Universe books) appeared in _Ahsoka_ as the Nightsisters. > [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > People like Jango Fett are especially good at their job because they instinctively plug into the force a bit. A reasonable in-universe explanation, but as far as I know, it’s not supported by any canon. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/36 "2024-04-08T00:15:23Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > A reasonable in-universe explanation, but as far as I know, it’s not supported by any canon. This has been my theory for quite a while now. Han Solo routinely out-flys the equivalent of F-16s in a souped-up cube van. How? By being just Force sensitive enough to know exactly when to make exactly the right move. I figure the Force is like athletics. Jedi and Sith are professional NFL players. Han (or Jango) is a talented high-school player, most other people have some vague notion of how to throw a ball. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/37 "2024-04-08T00:27:21Z")
It is “canonical” that the Force “is an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.” Note “all living things”… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/38 "2024-04-08T00:33:10Z")
Trust me, I know this. 😉 The explanation that people like Han or Jango are a bit stronger in the Force than the typical person, and are able to subconsciously use the Force to their advantage – even if they aren’t nearly strong enough to be able to actually, say, become a Jedi – makes a great deal of sense. _But_, as far as I know, there’s not ever been a canonical source which has stated it as such. And that’s all that I was saying. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/39 "2024-04-08T01:05:49Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > > > A reasonable in-universe explanation, but as far as I know, it’s not supported by any canon. > > This has been my theory for quite a while now. Han Solo routinely out-flys the equivalent of F-16s in a souped-up cube van. How? By being just Force sensitive enough to know exactly when to make exactly the right move. For values (low, granted) of canon, yes. I mean, if you look at all the Star Wars RPG stuff, which was licensed by LucasArts (thus, LOW level of canon, and almost certainly no longer such) anyone (presumably not including some beings that detach themselves from the force (see the Thrawn trilogy I mentioned upthread) can use the Force, but most don’t use it in ways that are obviously as supernatural as trained Force Users of multiple traditions (Sith, Jedi, etc). So a sudden intuition, a lucky guess, a unplanned dodge, being extra persuasive right when you need to be… In game terms, non-force sensitives could use the force, but the effect was always lower (not going into details on the mechanics over various games), force sensitive types could do more, but without training would rarely/never have force _skills_, and Force users had both the ability and training to do a wide range of effects. Of course, flip side, is that the more in tune you were with the force, the more easily you gained Dark Side corruption, which could quite literally drive you mad and consume your life force. So the first category had no real risk, the second had some risk but generally only when using the force actively, and trained users could step into the dark side for any action, not just those using the force. LOTS of different various of course, depending on which edition and which rules publisher you’re speaking of. But it made sense for the greater Star Wars universe as well. Again, not currently canon AFAIK, but at least it was previously the take on a Lucas-licensed product. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954/40 "2024-04-08T01:16:55Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > I mean, if you look at all the Star Wars RPG stuff, which was licensed by LucasArts (thus, LOW level of canon, and almost certainly no longer such) anyone (presumably not including some beings that detach themselves from the force (see the Thrawn trilogy I mentioned upthread) can use the Force, but most don’t use it in ways that are obviously as supernatural as trained Force Users of multiple traditions (Sith, Jedi, etc). So a sudden intuition, a lucky guess, a unplanned dodge, being extra persuasive right when you need to be… > > In game terms, non-force sensitives could use the force, but the effect was always lower (not going into details on the mechanics over various games), force sensitive types could do more, but without training would rarely/never have force _skills_, and Force users had both the ability and training to do a wide range of effects. Having played every version of the Star Wars RPG, this is all true, of course. But, AFAIK, it’s not something that was ever addressed in what they used to call “A-tier” canon (i.e., the films), and honestly, Lucasfilm was a little looser in what they would allow in licensed stuff like RPGs, compared to how Disney treats it now. Back in the day, the RPG products, the novels, the comic books, etc., lived in this “B-tier canon,” which meant that they were canon, up until Lucas decided to contradict them in an A-tier work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-entries-in-the-star-wars-franchise-might-i-like/999954.md?page=3)