# Which Hillary is the real Hillary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 12, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300 "2008-01-12T17:05:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Anomalous\_Reading](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Anomalous\_Reading](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anomalous_Reading)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/1 "2008-01-12T17:05:24Z")
We’ve all heard the story of her “breakdown” and it’s linger effects which may well have led to her victory in New Hampshire. Now she’s running ads about how she found her voice by listening to New Hampshire voters… and acting like a very different woman than she was before. I almost like this version of her, except for a few bad policy ideas in the last few day (we’ll chalk that up to pandering)… if I vote for her, if she were POTUS… which Hillary would we get? Which one is the default state? The one we’ve seen for years, or the one I’ve seen this past week? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/2 "2008-01-12T17:12:00Z")
Is that similar to the breakdown Bush had at the wailing wall. ? Wheres the big story on his crying. ? My Hillary problem stems from her Goldwater Republican beliefs when she was young. She has strong conservative roots . ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/3 "2008-01-12T17:16:39Z")
Would a one-dimensional Hillary be easier for you to handle? ---
**Author:** ![Anomalous\_Reading](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Anomalous\_Reading](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anomalous_Reading)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/4 "2008-01-12T17:35:34Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] Is that similar to the breakdown Bush had at the wailing wall. ? Wheres the big story on his crying. ? My Hillary problem stems from her Goldwater Republican beliefs when she was young. She has strong conservative roots . [/QUOTE] I agree, there does seem to be a double standard at work. I wonder if her past reticence to show any emotion didn’t help amp up the story… But I KNOW her gender was part of it. I also think the media’s over-response HELPED her - it made watching it seem… tame. And it WAS tame, imo. ---
**Author:** ![Anomalous\_Reading](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Anomalous\_Reading](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anomalous_Reading)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/5 "2008-01-12T17:37:02Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Would a one-dimensional Hillary be easier for you to handle? [/QUOTE] I’d prefer no Hillary, in all honesty. Some of her recent pandering proposals have annoyed me to no end… a 3 month moratorium on all foreclosures?? That’s stoopid beyond words… But I’m sure it will play well with some of the voters… ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/6 "2008-01-12T18:12:42Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Would a one-dimensional Hillary be easier for you to handle? [/QUOTE] You may have a point there. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/7 "2008-01-12T19:00:29Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Would a one-dimensional Hillary be easier for you to handle? [/QUOTE] Haven’t the past eight years with a one-dimension Prez been enough? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/8 "2008-01-12T19:27:24Z")
They’re both the real Hilary, or neither. The real Hilary is the one who will say or do almost literally anything to get elected. If there were enough polls telling her that she could gain some points by flashing her tits on national TV, at least the debates would get more interesting. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/9 "2008-01-12T19:34:50Z")
I don’t think the implication here is that it is hard to handle a female contender with some emotional range and depth of feeling. Personally I found her small show of feeling to make me dislike her less and am on record saying that. That at a point that I hadn’t considered that it was less than a real display of emotion. Actions since have made me doubt that initial assessment. I think the implication is that the display, such as it was, was a bit contrived, and part of a re-packaging to show a “more human” HRC product. Is there a real HRC in there? And if elected is that who will show up or will it be a President [Zelig](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelig)? ---
**Author:** ![wolf\_meister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf_meister/32/15202_2.png) [@wolf\_meister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolf_meister)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/10 "2008-01-12T19:44:00Z")
_Which Hillary is the real Hillary?_ **Sir Edmond Hillary** 🙂 (sorry just couldn’t resist & I don’t think the late Sir Edmond would mind) ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/11 "2008-01-12T19:49:54Z")
[QUOTE=wolf\_meister] _Which Hillary is the real Hillary?_ **Sir Edmond Hillary** 🙂 (sorry just couldn’t resist & I don’t think the late Sir Edmond would mind) [/QUOTE] Hillaryous. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/12 "2008-01-12T20:58:43Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] Is that similar to the breakdown Bush had at the wailing wall. ? Wheres the big story on his crying. ? My Hillary problem stems from her Goldwater Republican beliefs when she was young. She has strong conservative roots . [/QUOTE] If by young you mean 5 years old then yes. She dyed her roots a looong time ago and there’s nothing conservative about them. And you may be right, Bush’s emotions may hurt his chances of re-election. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/13 "2008-01-12T21:52:43Z")
[QUOTE=Anomalous Reading] I agree, there does seem to be a double standard at work. [/QUOTE] I don’t think it’s a double standard so much as it is that there’s simply a difference between someone tearing up at having looked upon the site of so much human suffering and the tearing up of someone in despair at having to soldier on despite the apparent frustration of her decades-long presidential aspirations. ---
**Author:** ![Anomalous\_Reading](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Anomalous\_Reading](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anomalous_Reading)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/14 "2008-01-12T22:00:03Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] I don’t think it’s a double standard so much as it is that there’s simply a difference between someone tearing up at having looked upon the site of so much human suffering and the tearing up of someone in despair at having to soldier on despite the apparent frustration of her decades-long presidential aspirations. [/QUOTE] I think proponents would say that the emotional response was more of her revealing her emotional core that is attached to her values - even if, at a minimum, it took losing to get her to even do that. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/15 "2008-01-13T23:12:28Z")
I don’t get the OP. What’s the argument for multiple, mutually inconsistent Hillarys? One time, she showed some emotion, other times, she kept control of her feelings? Why, I do that all the time. Rarely involving tears, but still. ---
**Author:** ![city\_zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a87d85/32.png) [@city\_zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/city_zebra)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/16 "2008-01-15T18:10:07Z")
I don’t think there’s more than one person in there, it’s just someone showing emotion. If a man were to show emotion he wouldn’t get shit about it, but when a woman breaks down a little, she’s being “bipolar” or “overly emotional.” ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/17 "2008-01-15T19:50:14Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Would a one-dimensional Hillary be easier for you to handle? [/QUOTE] Maybe a robot of some sort… ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/18 "2008-01-17T05:30:28Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] I don’t get the OP. What’s the argument for multiple, mutually inconsistent Hillarys? One time, she showed some emotion, other times, she kept control of her feelings? Why, I do that all the time. Rarely involving tears, but still. [/QUOTE] No, its even sillier – the OP apparently complains not that Hillary herself is inconsistent, but that hyped, dishonest _media portrayals_ of her behavior are inconsistent. It’s some kind of weird meta-dishonesty, that Hillary can’t keep the lies being told about her from conflicting. Gosh, how awful and dishonest she is! ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/19 "2008-01-17T06:21:29Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] No, its even sillier – the OP apparently complains not that Hillary herself is inconsistent, but that hyped, dishonest _media portrayals_ of her behavior are inconsistent. It’s some kind of weird meta-dishonesty, that Hillary can’t keep the lies being told about her from conflicting. Gosh, how awful and dishonest she is! [/QUOTE] Ding! We have a winner. I’m convinced that the unexpected result in the New Hampshire primary is attributable to the media hype over her supposed emotional breakdown. Instead of it being a true expression of support for Hillary, I think it was an expression of disgust with the portrayal of her that a relatively minor display of emotion prompted. Essentially, the media overreacted, and the electorate overreacted in response to that negative coverage, and blew all of the previous opinion polls out of the water. They’re both the “real Hillary”, or at least as good a view as you’ll get through the lens you have. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 10:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300/20 "2008-01-17T10:09:36Z")
[QUOTE=Shodan] The real Hilary is the one who will say or do almost literally anything to get elected. [/QUOTE] Name one candidate that does not fit this description. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-hillary-is-the-real-hillary/433300.md?page=2)