which is better for driving in snow?

OK can I muddy the waters here just a little more?
I work for a car company now, and in years past worked in the off-road truck racing / parts business.

4WD is generally considered a system with a transfer case [center differential if you will] that mechanicaly locks the front and rear differentials. This type of system does not allow for any slip front to rear. This can casue issues with trying to trun a tight corner particulary in lo-range. Although some of these systems are electronic with a switch, many (most) have a transfer case lever in the driver’s compartment.

AWD is (again) generally considered to be a system that automatically transfers power front to rear, and allows for slip front to rear. Due to the slip front to rear, the turning circle is not affected by the operation of this system. This type of system may be mechanical OR electronic (my company makes both) but either way the system is automatic, no levers or switches.

Now car makers are free to call what ever system they market anything they want, I am just refering to generally what these systems are named.

You Liberty has TWO different drive systems? Don’t you mean that Jeep offers two different systems on the Liberty? if that is the answer then Command-Trac is a 4WD type system, and Selec-Trac is more of an AWD system. (regardless of what the Jeep marketing guys may call it.)

So what is best?
I agree with mmmiiikkkeee that the single most important factor is the driver. However given multiple drivers with comprable skill levels, my vote goes with electronic AWD prefferably with dynamic traction control. The current dynamic traction system we have updates what is going on and makes decisions once every 7ms. This is way faster than I can ever hope to control the car. If the car is getting out of control the system can apply individual brakes, regulate the throttle and if the laws of physics allow, make the car go where the steering wheel has it pointed.

About 4 years ago Car and Driver did a winter test between different types of cars in deep snow. AWD was the best followed by 4WD, FWD, and RWD last. the funny part was that when they turned on the electronic traction systems on the FWD, and RWD they got lots better, almost as good as the 4WD systems! need I mention that the issue of electronic control in cars has come a long way in the last 4 years or so.

A small personal note here. I live in So Cal and about 12 years ago when my kids were small, they wanted to go to the snow. So we packed up everybody in the car, an old Volvo with skinny tires, and off we went.
As we were headed up into mountains we started to encounter sleet and snow on the road surface. I was having no problems with traction, and had not yet considered stopping to mount tire chains. All of a sudden a 4WD mini-truck starts sliding across the road in front of me and hits the guard rail. WTF? We keep motoring, then it happens again a few miles later. Finally the raod got bad enough we did have to mount chains. By the end of the day we saw FIVE different 4WD trucks hit guard rails or go into ditches going no faster then we were. I started to think about this to come up with a reason, and the only thing I could come up with was the fact that all of these trucks have great big mudder tires. I suspect that the weight per square inch of tire area was so low that they would float across the snow and lose control. 4WD did not seem to be an advantage that day. :stuck_out_tongue:

Regardless of whatever name the manufacturers invent, in the auto repair field 4WD is understood to be selectable (driver switches it on and off) and typically non-equalizing between the front and rear axles (meaning you can get axle wind-up using it on dry pavement). AWD is understood to be full-time or on-demand (engages automatically when needed) and self-equalizing.

My personal theory is that many purchasers of these vehicles believe that having such a car makes them immune to road conditions. Cape does not allow wearer to fly; SUV does not allow driver to ignore ice.

Plus, not all of the big SUV’s and fat tired trucks even have 4WD, and not all of those have drivers smart enough to turn it on. When I lived in Breckenridge, I had a neighbor with a nice looking Explorer equipped with rear wheel drive only. I can’t tell you the number of times that dumb truck got stuck in our parking lot; I’d help him push it out, then get into my 10 year old front wheel drive hatchback and just drive away.

I also agree that it is not so much the drivetrain but the driver. I grew up in snow with rear wheel drive vehicles and never had a problem. I don’t like front wheel drive in the snow, mainly because I’m not used to it. I’m more familiar with RWD on snow, therefore I drive them better.

As far as AWD, I never drove one too much in poor weather so I can’t form an opinion. But when it comes to traction control, I can say that I will never have a vehicle with it. Last winter, we had a decent snow hit while at work. Four guys in my office had new Camaros with traction control. Those four cars never left the parking lot that night. The traction control worked wonderfully. The tires never spun. The cars literally wouldn’t move. They all had to get rides home with guys who had FWD and RRD/non-traction control vehicles.

As far as 4WD vehicles sliding into ditches, I see it a lot here. The biggest problem with 4WD is the idiots who don’t understand that while 4WD gives a lot of traction to get you going good in the snow, once you hit the brakes, it doesn’t matter how many wheels have power/traction control etc to them. I’ve always felt that three of the biggest contributions to accidents in recent years is AWD, anti-lock brakes, and airbags. People get into new vehicles today and feel invincible. They think they can drive at any speed in all weather, stop on a dime no matter what and will not be injured if something goes wrong. Years ago, you had fender benders. Now you have multiple vehicle incidents where vehicles get totalled and people get hurt bad. Ice is ice, and ice is slippery. No drivetrain in the world can make up for a lack of common sense and decent driving skills. On the other hand, a guy I work with rides a motorcycle to work year round, snow, freezing rain, etc. He knows the limits of his vehicle and drives it accordingly.

To reiterate Turbo Dog’s point, RWD, FWD, 4WD, and AWD only affect a car’s ability to move forward in the snow and ice. Driving includes moving forward, turning and stopping. There is little difference between the different drivetrains with respect to overall turning ability and stopping power.

As a matter of fact, a great many 4WD and AWD people are fooled into thinking their car has better turning and stopping characteristics than it actually has. The car’s enhanced ability to move forward gives a false sense of security to the driver.

One last point, a good set of tires will do wonders for your handling in snow, and not just in going forward.

Yeah, that’s what I meant. I chose Command Trac for my Jeep. Me no write so good sentences occasionally.

Damn straight. My Liberty came with all season road tires that are all but useless in the snow. (I’m not claiming that all all-season tires are bad in snow, 'cause they’re not.) The thing can climb a building but it’s skittish as hell in snow and ice. Next winter I’m getting a good set of snow tires.