# Which large cities have the best and worst public transit systems **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 10, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082 "2009-11-10T19:29:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/101 "2009-11-15T01:39:38Z")
> [@Desert\_Nomad](#): > > For a large city, LA is about as crappy as Kinshasa (D.R. Congo). I think the best has Tokyo and Prague in the running. When’s the last time you were here? It still isn’t great, but I"m sure it’s better than Kinshasa’s. It takes time to build it out, but we voted to spend the money on it, honest! One thing that is crappy about the new rail lines plus the dedicated busway Orange line is that most of the transfer points are not well thought out, to the point of downright inconvenient. For instance, if you ride the Orange LIne busway to the North Hollywood terminus of the Red Line, you have to wait for a signal, cross busy Lankershim, and then enter the Metro station. Why couldn’t they build it so the Orange Line buses could pull up right by the ticketing level of the subway station? And then changing from the Red Line to the Gold Line at Union Station is a hassle because the Gold LIne is boarded at one of the regular platforms where the Amtrak and commuter trains pull in. So between the Red LIne and Gold LIne you have to go up about three levels, and also cover a considerable lateral distance in the process. I think there’s a project on the books though to fix that and have some Blue Line trains bypass Union Station and continue along the Gold Line. Other than the trains, the buses are like buses everywhere. If you’re going a long way it’s slow and it sucks. For trips of a few miles, though, the buses work pretty well. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/102 "2009-11-15T08:31:52Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > But my biggest pet peeve is that the streetcar is accessible only to the able bodied. Actually Toronto’s transit system is woefully equipped when it comes to accessibility in general, but at least the buses are accessible. A colleague had a friend arriving by train to Union Station. To get to my colleague’s apartment by TTC would be a _3 hour_ mess of traveling all over hell’s acres and back since she needed wheelchair accessible options, or a ten minute cab ride. > > My favorite transit systems are in Montreal in Chicago. Love Chicago’s system. Chicago is becoming more accessible, slowly but surely. Finishing the Red/Brown line Fullerton and Belmont stations will be a significant advance. The Blue line is completely accessible (I think), but half of the downtown Orange line stops are inaccessible - a huge drag for the handicapped, but also for folks with luggage coming in from Midway. And, for some reason both stations near the Amtrak station are inaccessible, the Brown/Orange Quincy and the Blue Clinton stops. ---
**Author:** ![leestevens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5f9b8f/32.png) [@leestevens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leestevens)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/103 "2009-11-15T09:27:55Z")
I like NYC and Washington DC systems. LA,CA system is the worst what you can drive in an hour takes 3 by mass transit. In the 1930s LA had a very fast street car line and it was forced to be ripped out by FORD Goodyear and Standard Oil they should be forced to put mass transit back in at cost.It was a criminal conspiracy. LA got on the building subway routine which is beyond stupid with earthquakes methane and a huge areas to cover. We are past the 50 percent mark on world oil reserves and if Washington doesn’t get the lead out and start the convertion away from petrol run vehicles this country could strangle on the vine. While we have solutions for ground transportation there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of a replacement for jet fuels perhaps the large dirigibles will return. I am using an electric bike and would like to see the speed limits increased to at least 30 mph for those. ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/104 "2009-11-15T13:09:45Z")
London is doing pretty well at the moment. Over the past decade or so there has been a political determination to discourage car use in the city by, in part, making a huge commitment to improved public transport services. I emphatically do not agree with all of the politicians and policies that have been part of this process, but I will happily concede that the public transport network now is the best it has even been and probably ranks with the best the rest of the world has to offer. The frequency and reliability of the various services I use all the time (bus, tram, train, tube) actually astonishes me. Whereas once I would always use my car to get in and out of the city, these days I just about never do because I can’t see the point. The tube (underground metro system) has always been a great source of pride for Londoners, and it just seems to get better all the time. It’s true that some parts of it aren’t the prettiest, and you do sometimes think they could spend more on cleaning it up and making the place _look_ nicer. But as a fast way to whizz around London relatively inexpensively, it’s a superb engineering and logistical achievement. The Victoria Line alone handles over _76 million_ passenger journeys per year. Think of trying to organise a transit system to do that, running trains through holes in the ground. The [statistics](http://www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Statistics.htm) look pretty impressive from where I’m sitting. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/105 "2009-11-15T20:20:20Z")
> [@leestevens](#): > > I like NYC and Washington DC systems. > LA,CA system is the worst what you can drive in an hour takes 3 by mass transit. > In the 1930s LA had a very fast street car line and it was forced to be ripped out by FORD Goodyear and Standard Oil they should be forced to put mass transit back in at cost.It was a criminal conspiracy. LA got on the building subway routine which is beyond stupid with earthquakes methane and a huge areas to cover. > We are past the 50 percent mark on world oil reserves and if Washington doesn’t get the lead out and start the convertion away from petrol run vehicles this country could strangle on the vine. While we have solutions for ground transportation there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of a replacement for jet fuels perhaps the large dirigibles will return. > I am using an electric bike and would like to see the speed limits increased to at least 30 mph for those. L.A.'s not so bad anymore if you live near one of the Metro stations. I use the Red Line quite often to get from the Valley to downtown. It’s pretty nice. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/106 "2009-11-15T22:54:59Z")
Best: London. It’s fairly reliable, clean, safe, and shockingly user-friendly - they take steps to help you figure out how to get where you want to go! Also, the history of the system deeply pleases my inner urban history nerd\*. Pretty good: Washington, DC - again, clean, safe, fairly reliable. Brussels has a shockingly wide-spread system (with really quite beautiful art in some of the stations). NYC is a bit intimidating just based on size, but I’ve never had a real problem with it. Meh: Philadelphia: _still_ no common ‘smart card’ that can be used on both SEPTA and PATCO? And I know it’s probably just confirmation bias, but…everything’s always just dirty. LA: It might be okay, I didn’t use it much, but they have absolutely the most useless public transportation website I have ever seen in my life. \*Like the time I was getting off the Tube on my way to my terrible, soul-crushing job, and I realized that the station I was walking through opened while the Civil War was still going on. Parts of the London Underground are 150 years old, and still being used daily. That’s kind of awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/107 "2009-11-15T23:04:42Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > \*Like the time I was getting off the Tube on my way to my terrible, soul-crushing job, and I realized that the station I was walking through opened while the Civil War was still going on. Parts of the London Underground are 150 years old, and still being used daily. That’s kind of awesome. Say what? The English Civil War was in the 1600s! 🙂 I admit though that that’s a cool feeling. I was staying at Rotherhithe yough hostel and got to use Rotherhithe station before the East London Line was closed. I went down the stairs and saw the portal of the original Thames Tunnel, the one that opened as a footpath and is in all the engineering history books. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/108 "2009-11-15T23:15:34Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > But my biggest pet peeve is that the streetcar is accessible only to the able bodied. True. But that’s what all the shouting last spring was about: funding for the new generation of streetcars which will be accessible. These are to replace the current streetcars on the current routes, mind, not the planned extensions. > [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > Actually Toronto’s transit system is woefully equipped when it comes to accessibility in general, but at least the buses are accessible. A colleague had a friend arriving by train to Union Station. To get to my colleague’s apartment by TTC would be a _3 hour_ mess of traveling all over hell’s acres and back since she needed wheelchair accessible options, or a ten minute cab ride. And the painful process of making all the stations accessible goes on. About half the subway stations are accessible, and they’re adding elevators to one or two a year. Slow and expensive to do. At least most of the train stations are accessible (notable exceptions include Mimico). > [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > My favorite transit systems are in Montreal in Chicago. Love Chicago’s system. I love the Montreal Metro as well–the architecture kicks Toronto’s butt there. But for accessibility, the Toronto subway is way better. I’ve been (briefly) on the Chicago subway (not any elevated portions), but I don’t know how it fares for accessibility. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/109 "2009-11-16T00:46:21Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I came in here to mention Moscow. Not only amazingly well run, but the stations are beautiful, just filled with public art (some of it is Stalinist public art, but still…). It’s fitting that the [Mad Monk](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin) likes Russia’s subway system… ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/110 "2009-11-16T03:53:45Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > Brussels has a shockingly wide-spread system (with really quite beautiful art in some of the stations). Mexico City’s subway is very good. I seem to recall large Aztec and other archaeological artefacts that were unearthed on display not only in the stations, but in wall niches as you’re coming into one. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/111 "2009-11-16T04:05:38Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > I use the train to commute & it’s _not_ empty when I use it. The only problem is that we need more lines–which are [finally](http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2009/05/28/after-years-of-conflict-houstons-transit-system-advances/) being planned. > Not that Houston is on anybody’s list of “best” transit systems… The last thing in this world that Houston needs is another street level train causing traffic problems and costing billions of dollars. Houston does not have the population density to justify rail. It never has and probably never will. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/112 "2009-11-16T06:56:36Z")
> [@Sunspace](#): > > I’ve been (briefly) on the Chicago subway (not any elevated portions), but I don’t know how it fares for accessibility. It’s partially accessible. All the buses are now accessible and the elevated stations are being renovated. Sadly, some of the ones closest to popular tourist destinations - the Art Institute, Millennium Park, Grant Park and the Amtrak station - are not. The stations on the east side of the Loop are not, and neither are the Quincy or LaSalle stops on the west side. Other than the Loop stops, the whole Brown line is accessible, same thing for the re-built Green and Orange lines. The Red line is very spotty, with some of the worst and shabbiest stations, and stretches of three or more inaccessible stations in a row, in (surprise!) some of the poorer neighborhoods. But even the Purple line, running through Evanston, has two stretches of three inaccessible stops. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/113 "2009-11-16T07:35:29Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > It’s partially accessible. All the buses are now accessible… I don’t know about that. I’ve been to Chicago once. I went to the Museum of Science and Industry and took the bus back to downtown. At one of the stops was a woman in a wheelchair. The driver didn’t sound too hopeful, but he tried the lift anyway. It only got her about halfway up. By that time another bus had arrived, but our driver told the woman that that one was broken, too. I don’t know how he knew that. I got the impression that Chicago buses were handicapped accessible more in theory than in practice. ---
**Author:** ![Random\_Design](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/58f4c7/32.png) [@Random\_Design](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random_Design)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/114 "2009-11-16T13:37:00Z")
I think Johannesburg is begging for a nomination as Worst Public Transport contender, perhaps not within SA itself, but definitely in the world. An under/over ground train system has been in the works for the past half decade, still incomplete, overbudget, over-schedule, will not be running in time for the FIFA circus next year. There was a plan to bring out a new bus system, but so far that’s only working within the city itself - if you want to get across Gauteng you’re boned. At the moment it looks doubtful this new bus system will be operating as planned by the World Cup either. The current municipal buses have no marked bus-stops and trying to get hold of a route schedule is like asking for state secrets. There are trains that run in southern and eastern areas, but nothing north of the city (which is where most of the commercial activity is). There is currently no public transport between the international airport and anywhere else. All this leaves a carless traveller with one realistic option - the notorious (privately operated) taxi-bus. These vehicles follow no planned routes or schedules, few traffic rules, and are often in a state of severe dis-repair. The drivers tend to be unlicensed and are quite aggressive on the road. Taxis are affordable though, and so long as you don’t look like you’re worth more than ten bucks you should make it to your destination with all your belongings. I think Joburg generally deserves some kind of award for least/worst planned city, anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/115 "2009-11-16T14:06:57Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > The last thing in this world that Houston needs is another street level train causing traffic problems and costing billions of dollars. Houston does not have the population density to justify rail. It never has and probably never will. Now that Tom Delay is out of the way, we’re going to get more light rail. Too bad we don’t have the money to elevate the tracks. Putting them undground would also be more expensive–& vulnerable to our frequent floods. Even Houston drivers have mostly found out that it’s stupid to make a turn in front of a light rail car; the train is bugger than even their Escalades. There’s plenty of population inside The Loop. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/116 "2009-11-16T21:25:55Z")
> [@davekhps](#): > > NYC buses are a nightmare because of traffic, but the subway system is the most efficient in the U.S.-- it goes absolutely everywhere, and it’s organic with the city. Lifelong New Yorker here. I’m a big fan of the subway system. I think it’s great, and I think it’s improved a lot since the bad old days in the 70s and early 80s (yes, I’m that old). But it doesn’t go absolutely everywhere. Big chunks of Queens, in particular, cannot be reached by subway. You’ve got to take the appropriate subway line to the end, and then transfer to a bus. The same is true of parts of Brooklyn, but there are fewer of those parts, and they’re smaller. Oh, yeah, there’s Staten Island, too, but that hardly counts. Special case. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/117 "2009-11-16T21:54:33Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I got the impression that Chicago buses were handicapped accessible more in theory than in practice. There are high-floor and the newer low-floor buses. The low-floor ones have [a ramp that just flips out](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_f88if8bIemU/SPVA0u2V_7I/AAAAAAAAAMI/VlL1VoLGFa4/s320/Wats+Bus+Ramp.jpg), while the high-floor ones have a much more complicated (and breakdown prone) system that [converts the stairs into a lift](http://www.usedwheelchairlifts.biz/mediac/400_0/media/wc$20logo.jpg) (neither image of actual Chicago buses). The low-floor ramp ones are a dramatically better and simpler piece of engineering. Too many of the supposedly accessible stations are plagued with broken elevators and doors broken through overuse by lazy jerks using the automatic doors even though they are perfectly fit. I get the distinct impression that the CTA maintenance and repair departments are understaffed. ---
**Author:** ![lshaw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e36b37/32.png) [@lshaw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lshaw)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/118 "2009-11-17T07:44:00Z")
I used to live in Silicon Valley and LA. Both have horrible public transit systems; I rarely used them. Now I’m living in the greater Tokyo area, and the public transit system is fantastic. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of the best. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/119 "2009-11-17T20:35:50Z")
> [@JuliaSqueezer](#): > > I took an Urban Sociology class years ago, wherein the prof said that the main deterrent to Detroit having any kind of rapid transit was the fact that the local economy was based on auto manufacturing. > > When SEMTA (Southeast Michigan Transit Authority?) was formed 'way back when, city fathers looked to titans of industry to serve on the authority as committee and board members. These titans all came from the auto industry, seeing as how there really wasn’t much else in the way of business leadership in the area. > > They, of course, shot down all suggestions of rail-based transit because it meant fewer cars would be purchased. In addition, I believe it was GM who also built city busses. They could not wait to tear up the old street car tracks and lay down pavement. > > A few attempts have been made toward train service to the northern suburbs and Ann Arbor, but most citizens of the city and suburbs must rely on car ownership, car pools or patchwork bus service. When I was a kid, Detroit had electric streetcars. The Big 3 lobbied to get them removed. The tracks were all torn up. They were clean. The diesel buses always made me sick. I worked for the city and found that a subway system was planned and the drawings were made. The Big 3 with a total lack of vision for the city and selfish motives, put the kabosh on that too. It is sad that we can not plan of a future. Detroit and most suburbs are not on great terms. If we ran buses to the far suburbs we would cross several boundries. Each would argue over routes, times and cost until it becomes a waste of time. You need rapid transportation. Taking hours to go to work and then repeat going home every night ,is counterproductive. It is too late now, the money is not available any more. ---
**Author:** ![rivulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@rivulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rivulus)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082/120 "2009-11-17T21:38:29Z")
> [@myskepticsight](#): > > We have a Metrolink but it sucks too. It has a Y-shaped track (used to only be a straight line). Doesn’t go far into any non-city areas but some people take it to avoid traffic for work, especially if they work downtown where parking is a hassle. Drive to a station, park and ride. The nearest station is almost 20 mins away from me so I only take it to avoid parking if I go to a Cardinals game downtown or some other big downtown event. With the bus cutbacks also came cutbacks to the Metro system and now there is a longer wait time between trains, and it has always shut down too early to take it for going out, it closes hours before the downtown 3am bars close. On the main line it mostly goes into more undesirable/sketchy areas and you don’t necessarily want to be walking around unless you are really familiar with the area. > > St. Louis is so spread out, they would have had to built their train tracks a loooong time ago to have gotten a system that covered enough area to be useful really. I’d love to live somewhere that had great transit that a lot of people used. The Metrolink is OK to get between the airport and downtown. Other than that, I’ve never used it. There seem to be almost yearly proposals to build a south city line, but nothing ever happens. I’ve taken a bus exactly once in the 12 years I’ve lived here. It’s just not very convenient. Driving a car is pretty much the only way to go in StL. Sad thing is, St. Louis used to embrace rail and street car travel. Now we just have touristy remnants of the glory days – like Union Station (which no longer connects to the train at all) and the Loop (which has no trace of the original street car system). I couldn’t believe it the first time I went to take an Amtrack train from StL to Chicago. The StL “station” (I use that word loosely) was basically a trailer parked under the overpass. Pathetic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-large-cities-have-the-best-and-worst-public-transit-systems/517082.md?page=7)