Bird and Diz weren’t thought of very well by a lot of the old stalwarts, mostly because they encouraged bad habits (musical and, in Parker’s case, personal) in young musicians; even latter-day conservatives like Wynton Marsalis aren’t really fond of them.
Though many jazz musicians don’t have a kind word for avant-garde, I’ve never heard what I would call real disrespect for John Coltrane. Likewise Allan Holdsworth–I’ve always heard him held up as the musician’s musician, even by people who don’t care for his genre(s).
In the world of electronic/dance music, I think the Chemical Brothers are up there. They’ve always had stellar production and have been making solid songs for years and years. Daft Punk get brought up as an example too but I’ve seen them put down more than the Chems. Ditto Soulwax.
Going back in time a little to the heyday of disco (and I mean good disco, not mainstream cheesy disco that I will fully admit to only liking because I lack a discerning palette), anyone with a bad word about Giorgio Moroder or Larry Levan should worry about being maced.
Hmm, what else.
Punk is tricky, because no matter how awesome a band is, someone will call them posers one day. But all punks that I have met respect The Replacements, maybe not a punk band in their own right but still so important.
Just to note that he wrote Layla about what was (at that time) his unrequited love for Patti (though he probably also was feeling guilty about having the hots for his friend’s wife).
“Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs” came out in 1970. Boyd and Harrison did not divorce until 1974 (though it sounds like things between the two had been on the rocks for some time before then). Boyd and Clapton didn’t marry until 1979.
It is inappropriate to include a deity in a thread about mere mortals.
(Actually, she is universally respected, but by no means universally liked, given her high-maintenance ways. But are *you *gonna tell that to the Queen?)
Yep. I have to run off to work but do a Google search for Tupac Shakur and Kate Bush, there are lots of cites. I haven’t seen it but I believe she was even mentioned in the documentary about him. He also liked early Sarah McLachlan, back when she was interesting (Touch, Solace, Possession era).
Ok, to clarify my answer, both Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel are liked and are highly respected.
Dave Brubeck? Never heard or read anything about him that wasn’t glowing, though I know virtually nothing about his private life. Still, I think among other musicians and aficianados of jazz he seems to be very highly regarded.
Yeah, I’ve never heard a bad word about Moroder. Supremely talented guy, too.
I would be surprised beyond belief if anyone could find a quote anywhere of someone dissing either the music or the people in Minutemen. D. Boone was by all accounts a tremendously great guy, Mike Watt is still active in music and has enough respect from his peers that he is sought after as a bassist (and check out the list of people who helped him on his Ball-Hog or Tugboat album), and I’ve personally heard accomplished rock and jazz drummers express awe at the outrageous licks George Hurley threw down.
ETA: Greg Ginn is also very respected and well liked.
Missed the edit window, but for those of you who don’t know much about Minutemen and may not understand the depth of respect the punk community has for these guys, check out this wikipedia article.
heck, if you care about indie music at all, you should just read Our Band Could Be Your Life by Michael Azerradwhich features a great chapter on the Minutemen as well as other key indie bands that were leading up to When Alternative Broke, aka Nirvana - bands include the Replacements, Husker Du, Minor Threat, Mission of Burma, etc…
Isn’t that what makes this an interesting question? The dichotomy between the popular view and the view of those in the business? Going back to comedians, Gilbert Gottfried is apparently a “comedian’s comedian” and well respected by his peers, mainly for his habit of going totally over-the-top raunchy when he bombs while most people can’t stand him, while Carrot Top and Gallagher (who are successful in their own ways-CT is particularly popular with college audiences and Gallagher had a big run for years) are despised by their peers because prop comics are the lowest caste of comics, in the comic world.
Ya know, my opinion of you continues to accumulate more positives with nearly everything you post.
That’s a great book, and We Jam Econo is an amazing film.
ETA: thanks for mentioning Mission of Burma! I’ve been a big fan for more than 20 years, and am still in touch with Roger Miller from time to time. Not enough people know this band, and Einstein’s Day (my personal favorite MoB song) should be on more people’s playlists.
Well, since we’re now talking about respected elder statesmen of the punk scene, I’m surprised no one has yet mentioned Black Flag or Minor Threat or The Misfits. I’ve never heard any band or figure from that scene badmouth them (though certain eras of Flag and incarnations of The Misfits are liked better than others).
I didn’t say The Ramones were sell-outs, I said many people in the present-day punk scene feel they are. That’s an opinion I’ve heard many times expressed over the years (even heard one kid say at a show 10 or so years ago, “The Ramones? Even my mom likes them!”). I don’t personally feel that they’re “sell-outs,” I think that term is lame, but I have heard many people say they feel so…although my personal experience is in no way ironclad proof.
I don’t feel that they’re sell-outs, but they are one of the most overrated bands in all of punkdom. I appreciate their contributions and all, but their music never did it for me. It was too slow.
ETA: I second Minutemen. Watt and Boon are especially beloved. “The Price of Paradise” is a classic.
Isn’t that true of all early punk? I remember seeing subtitles on Sex Pistols videos because they thought nobody could understand them, when compared to modern hardcore Lydon’s vocals as clear and well-enunciated as Pat Boone’s.
I’ve always thought of the Ramones as a pop band with attitude.
Minor Threat is pretty well respected and certainly Ian has gone on to much acclaim. I’ve never read a bad word about him, other than from people who think “Guilty of Being White” is some sort of racist screed (they’re wrong, btw).
I mentioned Greg Ginn upthread, but I know that I could find you lots and lots of people dissing Black Flag and other members of Black Flag, for a variety of reasons, including: people hate ----- as the vocalist because ----- was so much better; they hate the stylistic changes the band went thru in the mid '80s, and lots of people, including former members of Black Flag, just can’t stand Henry Rollins.
Misfits are well-regarded as an important part of the scene, but you’ll find that as musicians, they aren’t well thought of, and with something like 17 members over the course of their recording output, there are more than a few stories about people being dicks. Prolly the most well known one is how Glenn Danzig re-recorded (or left out entirely) parts of songs after their official break-up in 1983 so that he wouldn’t have to pay royalties to former members for subsequent releases under the Misfit’s name. The ensuing lawsuit dragged out for like 10 years before Danzig finally agreed to relinquish the band name (although not the cash).
ETA: I was gonna add John McLaughlin to the list of jazz artists. He’s an amazingly talented guitarist, and he’s willing to try lots of new things. I’ve never read a bad word about him, either in reference to his music or to his personality.
A lot of the older musicians didn’t like be-bop as music. Armstrong called it “Chinese music.” I think it was Eddie Condon who said, when a waiter dropped a bunch of dishes during a performance, “None of that modern jazz in here!”
