# Which of Trump's political sins disqualifies him most? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 27, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066 "2016-07-27T22:35:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/61 "2016-07-28T23:24:11Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > … friend of Trump’s (Jeffrey Epstein) accused him of rape. I thought Epstein was a friend of the Clintons, not Trump. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/62 "2016-07-28T23:28:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > He didn’t ask Russia to engage in cyberwarfare against “the US”, just against Clinton’s personal emails. Thing is that a lot of the emails that were claimed to be out there do come from other servers; indeed, cyber warfare was how they should had got the emails that others got \*\*from \*\*Clinton or related to her; like in the case of the DNC hack that was the one the Russians are being talked about nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/63 "2016-07-28T23:29:36Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > He didn’t ask Russia to engage in cyberwarfare against “the US”, just against Clinton’s personal emails. Try to keep up. The excuse je jour is that Trump was just joking around. He’s such a funny man, he can even make jokes about Russians hacking into American computers. What a joker! How we laughed! Stay tuned - tomorrow he may trot out another excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/64 "2016-07-28T23:32:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > He didn’t ask Russia to engage in cyberwarfare against “the US”, just against Clinton’s personal emails. The reason people are making a fuss about this is that it is possible some of the deleted mails were State Department emails, and that some could be classified. If Trump acknowledged they were only personal emails, then asking a foreign power to hack Hillary is bad enough. If there is a possibility there were classified mails, then it is indeed espionage. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/65 "2016-07-28T23:35:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Try to keep up. The excuse je jour is that Trump was just joking around. He’s such a funny man, he can even make jokes about Russians hacking into American computers. What a joker! How we laughed! Next joke - Take my NATO ally - please! ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/66 "2016-07-28T23:37:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > He didn’t ask Russia to engage in cyberwarfare against “the US”, just against Clinton’s personal emails. Thats nice that you believe that, doesn’t change the fact that he asked a hostile nation to hack into the emails of a senator, the secretary of state and a presidential candidate. Also maybe his rape accusations are just because he slipped and landed on his dick. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/67 "2016-07-29T00:16:49Z")
There are now 2 things from the list that Trump is showing himself to be worst than Nixon. (it is very likely that he would be worse than Nixon in many others) Nixon never completely banned a news organization from his campaign, and even if Nixon was being audited by the IRS he \*\*did \*\*release his tax returns. Yeah; besides that I do not think that a guy that is worse than Nixon, in vindictiveness also, should be given the keys to the NSC. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/68 "2016-07-29T00:20:02Z")
I’ll have to say, limiting my choices to 10 was a feat of Herculean restraint (though some categories did overlap with others a bit). ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/69 "2016-07-29T00:26:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I thought Epstein was a friend of the Clintons, not Trump. That Jeffrey, he was _EVERYONE’s_ friend! ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/70 "2016-07-29T00:44:25Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The reason people are making a fuss about this is that it is possible some of the deleted mails were State Department emails, and that some could be classified. So you’re saying Clinton may have lied and mishandled classified information? That some of the email she claimed were of a personal nature and refused to turn over for FOIA requests (and actually destroyed) may have contained government business? I’m shocked! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/71 "2016-07-29T01:25:26Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Petulant, thin-skinned overreaction? That’s not compatible with being president; it’s a whole different kind of dangerous. I’d genuinely rethink things if Hillary displayed the same fly-off-the-handle and say-whatever-damn-thing-comes-into-her-head schtick, with the same _personal_ hotheadedness powering inappropriate responses. Agreed, and why I kept arguing he was worse that Cruz. Especially since I’ve learned that there is no check on his power to launch nukes. Sure, there are other people in the chain that actually do the work, but they are required to assume the President is making a lawful order. There is no means by which to say “no” that doesn’t violate everything. It’s not merely a matter of Trump being able to fire them. But of court-martial and military punishment–including the type of imprisonment we’ve seen them use. It is this that actually makes me worried about a Trump presidency. Anything worse is something he can’t really do. Trump is a petulant child with a mental disorder that compels him to lash out at anyone who challenges his overinflated ego. He is not sane, and he should not have access to nuclear weapons. If he wins, first order of business in Congress should be crafting a law to change this, before it’s too late. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/72 "2016-07-29T01:30:50Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > So you’re saying Clinton may have lied and mishandled classified information? That some of the email she claimed were of a personal nature and refused to turn over for FOIA requests (and actually destroyed) may have contained government business? I’m shocked! Indeed I would be shocked as the FBI did not reach that conclusion. [http://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/james-comey-clinton-not-lie-fbi-225212](http://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/james-comey-clinton-not-lie-fbi-225212) > [@](#): > > Comey: Clinton did not lie to the FBI > > By Nick Gass > > 07/07/16 10:47 AM EDT > > Hillary Clinton did not lie to FBI investigators during their probe into her use of a private server as secretary of state, FBI Director James Comey testified Thursday. > > “We have no basis to conclude she lied to the FBI,” Comey told House Oversight Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) during one of the hearing’s opening exchanges. > > Chaffetz then asked whether Clinton lied to the public. “That’s a question I’m not qualified to answer. I can speak about what she said to the FBI,” Comey said. > > Asked whether Clinton lied under oath, Comey remarked that she did not do so to the FBI. Asked whether he had reviewed Clinton’s testimony from last October’s Benghazi hearing in which the former secretary of state told Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) that “there was nothing marked classified on my emails,” Comey said that he had not. > > “Did the FBI investigate her statements under oath on this topic?” Chaffetz asked, to which Comey responded, “Not to my knowledge. I don’t think there’s been a referral from Congress.” > > After Comey affirmed that Congress needs a referral to investigate Clinton’s statements under oath to the FBI, Chaffetz remarked, “You’ll have one. You’ll have one in the next few hours.” > > “Did Hillary Clinton break the law?” Chaffetz asked. > > “In connection with her use of the email server? My judgment is that she did not,” Comey said. > > Chaffetz then asked whether it was that he was just not able to prosecute it or that Clinton broke the law. > > “Well, I don’t want to give an overly lawyerly answer,” Comey said. "The question I always look at is there evidence that would establish beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody engaged in conduct that violated a criminal statute, and my judgment here is there is not. " Elsewhere it was reported by Comey also that the classified or secret marks were not as clear as they were supposed to be on the emails that are the issue, so while it was true that Comey did criticize Clinton, he should not had criticized as harshly based on what was concluded. There is then no contradiction on Clinton not lying while at the same time to point that secrets would had been obtained by our enemies. But AFAIK most of the hacks and cyber attacks were not made at Clinton’s server but at others close to her like the DNC. When one does not remove the context, it is reasonable to think that Trump remains a cad by getting chummy with Russia and requesting their aid against his political enemies. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/73 "2016-07-29T04:01:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > You forgot the ‘All of the above’ option. All of the above, and then some. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/74 "2016-07-29T04:26:47Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > There are now 2 things from the list that Trump is showing himself to be worst than Nixon. (it is very likely that he would be worse than Nixon in many others) There are like twenty five things on that list where Trump is demonstrably worse than Nixon. Nixon was not an ignoramus who didn’t read books. He believed in science. He was a student of international relations, once of the most successful in that regard of any President. Nixon was paranoid and corrupt in the end but he tried to be a good President. Trump would make no such effort. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/75 "2016-07-29T18:08:23Z")
I probably should have included something about Trump’s stomping on the first amendment, as witnessed by his bullying of members of the press (Megyn Kelly), denying the Washington Post credentials and access, promising to “eliminate political correctness” (how, exactly, Mr. Trump?), etc. We had another example of his thin-skinnedness when he talked openly about wanting to punch people who gave speeches at the DNC. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/76 "2016-07-29T20:10:28Z")
Here’s one that didn’t make much news and while I certainly don’t it’s the worst thing that he’s done it has always seemed super weird to me. Donald Trump was dubious that any grandparent could talk about their grandkids for more than a minute. What the fuck is that about? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/77 "2016-07-29T20:13:03Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Here’s one that didn’t make much news and while I certainly don’t it’s the worst thing that he’s done it has always seemed super weird to me. > > Donald Trump was dubious that any grandparent could talk about their grandkids for more than a minute. > > What the fuck is that about? Link? From your description, I certainly have no idea. Maybe it’s a swipe at the young generation supposedly being terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/78 "2016-07-29T20:16:08Z")
[Link](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3670476/Skeptical-Trump-says-Bill-Clinton-Loretta-Lynch-couldn-t-filled-half-hour-chat-golf-grandkids-runs-things-say-nine-ten-seconds.html) My recollection was wrong. It wasn’t a minute it was nine or ten seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/79 "2016-07-29T20:20:27Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > [Link](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3670476/Skeptical-Trump-says-Bill-Clinton-Loretta-Lynch-couldn-t-filled-half-hour-chat-golf-grandkids-runs-things-say-nine-ten-seconds.html) > > My recollection was wrong. It wasn’t a minute it was nine or ten seconds. Ah, it’s Trump trying to cast doubt that the conversation between Loretta Lynch and Bill was innocent. I.e. they couldn’t possibly have spent all that time discussing their grandchildren. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066/80 "2016-07-29T20:21:45Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Here’s one that didn’t make much news and while I certainly don’t it’s the worst thing that he’s done it has always seemed super weird to me. > > Donald Trump was dubious that any grandparent could talk about their grandkids for more than a minute. > > What the fuck is that about? I’m a recent grandparent – go on, ask me about my grandchild. I dare you. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-of-trumps-political-sins-disqualifies-him-most/761066.md?page=5)