# Which ONE Crime Would You Like The True Answer To? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101 "2010-01-08T00:25:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/121 "2010-01-11T22:04:42Z")
[music history hijack] > [@BMalion](#): > > Who let the dogs out? > [@kopek](#): > > OK ------ I had hoped someone else would point out the obvious. It was Roger Daltrey, Pete Townshend, John Entwistle, and Keith Moon. I believe PETA tried to claim responsibility but the question almost answered itself. šŸ˜ƒ Long before the Baha Men: [The Who: Dogs](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ83-45VpUM&feature=fvw) [The Who: Dogs Part 2](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U9uGSGUliM) [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/122 "2010-01-11T23:20:13Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Wow, third page and Iā€™m the first to say [Judge Crater](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Crater). Possibly because the original poster specified ā€œBut for the purposes of this thread it has to be a crime, not like a disappearance, like Jimmy Hoffa. We would assume some crime was involved but no one can be 100%.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/123 "2010-01-11T23:22:12Z")
> [@Stoneburg](#): > > I have to say I was surprised to see this from a non-Swede(?). Iā€™m from Switzerland but living in the USA, and many people make the mistake of calling me Swedish instead of Swiss. That would explain it, no? šŸ™‚ But seriously, this is the head of state of a country murdered! This is big-time! Iā€™m surprised that it isnā€™t discussed more. > [@](#): > > Some relatively inside-ish information related to me (ie: prisoner guard) indicates that Christer Pettersson\*, the man originally accused of the crime was indeed guilty. The whole case was a complete mess though an left so many questions unanswered, that even though I am pretty much convinced he was the killer, Iā€™d still like the case ā€˜solvedā€™. Did you mean that _you_ are the prison guard, or that a prison guard gave you this information? The Wikipedia article I linked to in my post mentions another suspect, a Victor Gunnarsson. Do you know of any articles or books that give more detail on the murder and the investigation? ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/124 "2010-01-12T00:21:19Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > The creepiness of those childrenā€™s beauty pageants certainly raised a lot of peopleā€™s eyebrows. But while JonBenetā€™s exposure in those contests may have been a factor in her being targeted, I donā€™t think there was anything worse than the age-old situation of an ex-beauty queen (Mrs. Ramsey was a former Miss West Virginia) wanting to live her youth over again through her kid. But thatā€™s exactly what I was talking about when I said that I wanted to know if the Ramseyā€™s values and ideals somehow contributed to the murder. Being a murderous psycho isnā€™t a ā€œvalueā€ or an ā€œideal.ā€ The values and ideals would be more about the importance of a certain type of beauty, appearances in general, and what are appropriate activities for little girls. Why did _JonBenet_ in particular get assaulted and murdered like that? It could have had nothing to do with the whole beauty queen thing, but itā€™s obviously very likely that it did have something to do with that. And that applies whether the murderer was a Ramsey or not. Discussion about JonBenet is discussion about American cultural values. (My moneyā€™s on Burke, by the way. Should we start a new thread?) ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/125 "2010-01-12T00:24:40Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > (My moneyā€™s on Burke, by the way. Should we start a new thread?) [Already done!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=547435) ---
**Author:** ![Pray\_for\_peace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Pray\_for\_peace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pray_for_peace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/126 "2010-01-12T00:27:21Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#): > > (My moneyā€™s on Burke, by the way. Should we start a new thread?) Yes! I never really cared much about this case, but I sure have been interested in the discussion here. I will hold off on discussing my own theory (now that Iā€™ve been given cause to form an opinion on this) ā€¦ ETA: Oops, I see itā€™s already happened. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/127 "2010-01-12T01:44:48Z")
Cicero: > [@](#): > > ā€œBut for the purposes of this thread it has to be a crime, not like a disappearance, like Jimmy Hoffa. We would assume some crime was involved but no one can be 100%.ā€ I must have forgotten that after reading through the thread and seeing Hoffa himself mentioned by more than a few posters. OK, sticking only with actual crimes, Iā€™d have to say the murder of [Sir Harry Oakes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Harry_Oakes). The investigation was so obviously bungled, you have to wonder if it was mere incompetence or massive cover-up. ---
**Author:** ![i\_am\_a\_scientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f07891/32.png) [@i\_am\_a\_scientist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/i_am_a_scientist)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/128 "2010-01-13T02:15:06Z")
Not at all a truther, but Flight 93. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/129 "2010-01-13T03:31:15Z")
Flight 93 we have practically a blow-by-blow. Pick something harder. As some of the poisoned Tylenol came from a store behind where my wife worked, Iā€™m interested in that one. ESPECIALLY because her prime suspect is not the guy getting his DNA tested. Single people, did you know that marriage is a competition with an ultimate goal being a zero-sum game? You toss your partner a bone over the stupid stuff, like toilet seat up or down, so you can nail her on the identity of a serial killer. Er, the rest of you also talk about serial killers with your SOs, right? ETA: Yeah, Lewis is low-hanging fruit and a general loser who is unlikely to be guilty, but her suspect flew off to Central America with insufficient evidence for an extradition. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/130 "2010-01-13T03:47:18Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Er, the rest of you also talk about serial killers with your SOs, right? Not any more. He said while brushing the dirt from his hands. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/131 "2010-01-13T04:00:41Z")
Another vote for the Zodiac Killer. I grew up in San Francisco and the North Bay - the two places he committed his crimes. It used to freak the shit out of me that he could still be walking around. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/132 "2010-01-13T04:36:06Z")
> [@OtakuLoki](#): > > Not any more. He said while brushing the dirt from his hands. Mine, though she has been out of Medicine for years, remarked the other day how nothing she saw on the job prevented her from enjoying her lunch. Actually, the 27-yr-old quote is, ā€œI was in the OR today while a guy was in for intestinal surgery and all I could think was, ā€˜Will they have lasagna in the cafeteria?ā€™ā€ She may be a psychopath. :eek: Or a natural for surgery. Itā€™s hard to tell the difference. :eek::eek: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/133 "2010-01-13T04:53:27Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > ā€œThe Princes in the Tower.ā€ Iā€™d like to see Richard III exonerated. I firmly believe that it was done on Henry VIIā€™s behalf, with his mother most likely being the brains of the outfit. Dammit, I was coming here to post this one. (But I believe Richard was the culprit.) ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/134 "2010-01-13T05:07:05Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > Can we do famous thefts and cons, too? Well, the thread title says ā€œWhich ONE crimeā€¦ā€ Hereā€™s one that could be the basis of a good novel or movie, if there werenā€™t all bad guys and apparently no single hero. [The Blue Diamond Affair](http://jotman.blogspot.com/2009/08/timeline-of-blue-diamond-affair.html), read the chronology; sensational, scandalous, bizarre, surreal, depressing, etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/135 "2010-01-13T05:35:01Z")
> [@Markxxx](#): > > OK we all know that Lizzie Borden took an ax and gave her father 40 whacks and when she saw what she could do, she gave her mother 42. But she was found ā€œnot guilty,ā€ so did she? (OK the rhyme is totally screwed up from the facts, butā€¦) I like the bastard son, but Lizzie probably did it. ETA: And Elizabeth Montgomeryā€™s fine, FINE dimpled lower back šŸ˜ƒ in the made-for-TV movie were not evidence. Oh, you didnā€™t know Lizzie kept her clothes blood free by stripping beforehand? šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/136 "2010-01-13T07:51:05Z")
Jon Benet. . ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/137 "2010-01-13T13:46:40Z")
The Torso Murderer, aka the Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/138 "2010-01-13T15:26:21Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > I think I remember that the stationary or writing paper that the uber-bizzare ā€œransom note that wasnā€™t actually a ransom noteā€ ('cause the kidā€™s dead body was still in the house) was written on proved to be taken from the Ramsayā€™s own home. > > If some random stranger (or disgruntled employee or even a pedo who was specifically targeting JonBenet) comitted this crime, would they really search the house for writing paper (either before, during or after a murder) and then take the time to hand write a multi-page note? Not only that, but it was the second draft of the note - indentations on the note show that a rough draft of the note was written on top of it. The not-kidnapper from outside the home took the time to write the note _twice_. And although I think handwriting experts\* arenā€™t as much scientists as they think, they say the handwriting on the first draft matched the momā€™s handwriting. \*Yes, I am aware of the distinction between between people who match handwriting to handwriting, and those who claim to determine personality traits from handwriting. The latter is sheer quackery, but the former isnā€™t perfect anyway. ---
**Author:** ![BleizDu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9dc877/32.png) [@BleizDu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BleizDu)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/139 "2010-01-13T18:40:28Z")
Oh, this one too, the death of pastor DoucĆ©: > **[Joseph DoucĆ©](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Douc%C3%A9)** > > Joseph DoucĆ© (April 13, 1945 ā€“ c.ā€‰July 1990) was born to a rural family in Sint-Truiden, Belgium. He was a psychologist and a (defrocked) Baptist pastor in Paris. He was openly gay and was among the founders of the International Lesbian and Gay Association. He served as a volunteer soldier in the NATO base at Limoges, France, where he had time to perfect his French. After one year of pastoral and humanistic studies at Stenonius College (also known as EuropaseminƤr, a Roman Catholic semi His Cent... He had founded a center for sexual minorities (gay folks, transsexuals, SM, pedophiles), with support groups, and was murdered in 1990. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2010, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101/140 "2010-01-13T20:45:26Z")
That American girl, mssing in Aruba=what was her name? Are the Dutch police still keeping an eye on Joran Vander Sloot? (the main person of interest) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-one-crime-would-you-like-the-true-answer-to/524101.md?page=8)