Need an option for “The Donner.”
That was my experience when DesertWife and I were proselytizing in 1988, but I would not say grudgingly tolerant for the Republicans/conservatives so much as indifferent.* We’d set up an easel with a Nolan chart on it, administer the small quiz, then put a sticker-dot in the appropriate spot.
Democrats/liberals, on the other hand, would claim I was falsely stating my beliefs, call me names, and a couple even tried to get me ejected from the mall we were in.
One person who self-identified as liberal wound up in the Statist corner (labeled Authoritarian at that time), one of the few there and was not happy about it, claiming the quiz was biased. I answered “Well, you disagreed with the libertarian position here, here, and here on the one axis and here, here, and here, on the other.” He started to give his reasons but I stopped him. “Basically you don’t trust people to do the right thing and need to have more aspects of their lives controlled.”
*This was long before the Fox News/Alternate Facts era.
Well, it is. The* point *of such quizzes is to assign people to the “bad sounding” portions of the political compass in order to shame them into switching to the “correct” beliefs. That’s why when used to plot a lot of people they tend to end up with a lot of people plotted everywhere *except *for the desired corner.
Quizzes like that are strongly influenced by the writer’s opinions, often to the point of having questionable results. The Political Compass Quiz has Hitler and Margaret Thatcher in the same quadrant, for example. Thatcher was a strong opponent of the Soviet Union and Communism. Hitler opposed the Soviet Union, but he was a Socialist, so it wan’t the economic system he fought.
Yes. Right here. In this thread. The very comment I was quoting. Persecute.
This is one of nicest things ever said about Democrats.
<shrug> You were there so, of course, you have perfect insight on a philosophy and organization you don’t give a shit about, if not actively hostile towards. /s
We weren’t trying to bamboozle people into thinking they were libertarian when they were not; that never sticks anyway. The questions were carefully selected to put people in the area their way of looking at life leads them. An earlier version had a question about gun control that was replaced because it skewed the results.
Generally, people would end up in equal amounts in the upper three quadrants and only a handful in the bottom quadrant. One of our people joked we needed a lesson on, “How to tell a sweet old lady she’s a brown shirt.”
If people wound up in ‘our’ quadrant I’d ask them if they were supporting or at least leaning towards a candidate. When they generally answered with either Bush or Dukakis I would point out the differences in their answers and the party platform of statements of their favorite.
If people wound up as either ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’ and were supporting the ‘other’ candidate – and it was a fair number on both sides – I would recommend they check the candidate’s positions carefully. The ones in the Authoritarian quadrant I would give no recommendations at all.
That the Democrats accuse people of those things does not mean they’re anywhere remotely factual.
That you accuse the Democrats of accusing people of non-factual things does not mean your claim is anywhere near remotely factual. Where are your examples of Democrats accusing people of bigotry when they’re not actually bigots? (I’m presuming the ‘drowning kittens’ is hyperbole, but if you mean it seriously then I want a cite for it too) Note that when I say ‘actually bigots’, I am talking about actual support for racist, sexist, homophobic, and similar policies or practices, not whether the person is willing to admit that they are bigoted. People who support supressing minority votes, discriminating against LGBT people, and opposing gay marriage often will claim that they are not bigoted and that they just favor ‘voter ID laws’, ‘religious freedom laws’ or ‘defending traditional marraige’, but that doesn’t magically change what they are.
And again, I note that Bernie Sanders and AOC are both well-known and routinely criticized for not following the Democratic party line, but I don’t see the fake allegations of bigotry against them. While there certainly is some criticism of Bernie’s record with black people, that’s based on his actual record (or lack of record) and not just ‘oh, you disagreed with the party line, you’re a bigot!’.
It’s a tough question because libertarianism doesn’t seem well represented by either party. It’s not that consistent with party politics.
So it might be an even split. I have some libertarian sympathies - being socially liberal and economically conservative. I prefer a real free market over cozy duopolies. There should be enough law and structure and government regulation to allow people to get on with their lives and not to unreasonably interfere with others, but not over regulation.
It’s more that they are intended to manipulate people into opposing their own safety and self interest. Almost nobody actually wants to live under a libertarian system if they *realize *what they are getting into, so they have to be either manipulated or coerced into going along with the program.