# Which Party Has the Mobs? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2018, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828 "2018-11-01T10:45:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/201 "2018-11-05T19:39:04Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Cite? The driver of the car [wasn’t the only Nazi who put someone in the hospital](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/white-supremacist-is-guilty-in-charlottesville-parking-garage-beating-of-black-man/2018/05/01/033396b4-4af9-11e8-8b5a-3b1697adcc2a_story.html?utm_term=.492578145ef7). > He was down on the ground, and the Nazis were beating him with rods. > > This was because > Yes, they were a **mob** of thugs looking to start fights and beat people up. > > Fuck you and your attempts to define this as some peaceful protest. Never said they were peaceful, just not a mob. No. They were just walking around until they were confronted and were outnumbered. Bad things happen in those situations. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/202 "2018-11-05T19:43:42Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Alcohol fueled binges? Mob behavior? YOUR boy Kavanaugh already has that covered. > [@Derleth](#): > > Trump did. You are delusional, son. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/203 "2018-11-05T19:55:54Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So history isn’t your strong suit either. > > **_Kristallnacht_ was carried out on 9–10 November 1938 by German civilians and “Brownshirts.”** My underline. Am I the only one who read that and immediately started worrying about a spate of attacks on the anniversary this weekend, especially if the midterms go against the Republicans? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/204 "2018-11-05T20:50:04Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > So history isn’t your strong suit either. > > **_Kristallnacht_ was carried out on 9–10 November 1938 by German civilians and “Brownshirts.”** The Brownshirts were a private militia which had been formally disempowered by Adolf Hitler more than four years earlier (during _die Nacht der langen Messer_). The Brownshirts were the SA, a military component of the Nazi party. Just because Hitler got played into breaking ties with Rohm and had the SA replaced by people he thought he could trust more (Himmler and his SS) doesn’t make them some “private” organization that was not part of the Nazi party. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/205 "2018-11-05T21:48:25Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > They were just walking around until they were confronted and were outnumbered. Bad things happen in those situations. Being “outnumbered” by counterprotestors doesn’t justify the neo-Nazis initiating physical assaults on those counterprotestors. And DeAndre Harris trying to knock away (with a flashlight) a pole that a neo-Nazi demonstrator was using to try to spear one of his fellow counterprotestors doesn’t justify **several neo-Nazis brutally beating up Harris all by his lonesome in a parking garage**. That is not just “bad things happening”, in your mealy-mouthed phrase. That is a neo-Nazi mob making a violent attack on an isolated unarmed man who was no threat to them and certainly wasn’t “outnumbering” them. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/206 "2018-11-05T21:48:36Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Never said they were peaceful, just not a mob. > > No. They were just walking around until they were confronted and were outnumbered. Bad things happen in those situations. They were _outnumbered??_ So fucking what?? I’m outnumbered every day when I walk down the street. Were they temporarily outnumbered by people with signs that hurt their feelings, who were probably also yelling things that hurt their feelings? You seem to be saying that’s an excuse to start beating people up. There are laws against that, and at least one of the thugs whose conduct you’re excusing (“they were confronted and were outnumbered. Bad things happen in those situations” sure sounds like ‘excusing’ to me) has been convicted, thank goodness. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/207 "2018-11-05T22:32:03Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Being “outnumbered” by counterprotestors doesn’t justify the neo-Nazis initiating physical assaults on those counterprotestors. > > And DeAndre Harris trying to knock away (with a flashlight) a pole that a neo-Nazi demonstrator was using to try to spear one of his fellow counterprotestors doesn’t justify **several neo-Nazis brutally beating up Harris all by his lonesome in a parking garage**. > > That is not just “bad things happening”, in your mealy-mouthed phrase. That is a neo-Nazi mob making a violent attack on an isolated unarmed man who was no threat to them and certainly wasn’t “outnumbering” them. If you think you can accurately call an entire side an initiator, your hubris knows no bounds. > [@RTFirefly](#): > > They were _outnumbered??_ > > So fucking what?? I’m outnumbered every day when I walk down the street. Were they temporarily outnumbered by people with signs that hurt their feelings, who were probably also yelling things that hurt their feelings? You seem to be saying that’s an excuse to start beating people up. > > There are laws against that, and at least one of the thugs whose conduct you’re excusing (“they were confronted and were outnumbered. Bad things happen in those situations” sure sounds like ‘excusing’ to me) has been convicted, thank goodness. Yes it is very unfortunate that people participate in these brawls. There are probably many who deserve punishment but were not convicted because it is difficult to accurately ascribe blame in a situation like that. Thankfully you two goons weren’t the judge, jury and executioner. You would have served Robespierre admirably. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/208 "2018-11-05T22:45:44Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > If you think you can accurately call an entire side an initiator, your hubris knows no bounds. :dubious: You seem to be strategically ignoring the incident of **the mob of several neo-Nazis brutally beating up Harris in a parking garage**. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes it is very unfortunate that people participate in these brawls. It’s even more “unfortunate” when a mob of violent demonstrators gangs up on a single counterprotestor in a prolonged and brutal beating. > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > There are probably many who deserve punishment but were not convicted because it is difficult to accurately ascribe blame in a situation like that. There is video of the gang-beating of Harris. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/209 "2018-11-06T04:38:36Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > Or setting synagogues on fire and forming armed anti-immigration citizen militias to stop people from applying to legally immigrate… Or wearing swastikas and seig heiling eachother. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/210 "2018-11-06T04:43:11Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Luckily, that will never, ever happen here the good ol’ USA! Except for Native Americans (forcibly moved to reservations), Japanese people (WW2 internment camps), and now refugee children. I wonder who is next. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/211 "2018-11-06T04:44:38Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: You seem to be strategically ignoring the incident of **the mob of several neo-Nazis brutally beating up Harris in a parking garage**. > It’s even more “unfortunate” when a mob of violent demonstrators gangs up on a single counterprotestor in a prolonged and brutal beating. > There is video of the gang-beating of Harris. Maybe he is one of them. Ever think of that?? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/212 "2018-11-06T16:43:58Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :dubious: You seem to be strategically ignoring the incident of **the mob of several neo-Nazis brutally beating up Harris in a parking garage**. > It’s even more “unfortunate” when a mob of violent demonstrators gangs up on a single counterprotestor in a prolonged and brutal beating. > There is video of the gang-beating of Harris. Those individuals should be held accountable. Unfortunately, the courts are monopolized by the state. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/213 "2018-11-06T16:49:35Z")
Yeah, it was a real mistake to allow “the state” to get involved with our judicial system. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/214 "2018-11-06T16:53:14Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Maybe he is one of them. Ever think of that?? No, he is well above the level of intelligence required to allow such a ridiculous idea enter his head. He also probably exhibits the spatial skills of a homo sapien and does not both breath through and drool from his mouth. Yes I’m a violent Nazi except I favor non-violence and the dissolving of the central government and its monopoly on violence, do not identify as a member of any race and deny resort to race-based policy of any kind, and admire the Jewish People who have served as a paragon for social cohesion in the face of state violence not to mention their stellar entertainment provision. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/215 "2018-11-06T19:12:03Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No, he is well above the level of intelligence required to allow such a ridiculous idea enter his head. He also probably exhibits the spatial skills of a homo sapien and does not both breath through and drool from his mouth. > > Yes I’m a violent Nazi except I favor non-violence and the dissolving of the central government and its monopoly on violence, do not identify as a member of any race and deny resort to race-based policy of any kind, and admire the Jewish People who have served as a paragon for social cohesion in the face of state violence not to mention their stellar entertainment provision. Man, you’re a weird fucking dude. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/216 "2018-11-06T19:14:23Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Man, you’re a weird fucking dude. IKR? I’m going to enjoy meeting him. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/217 "2018-11-06T19:17:20Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes it is very unfortunate that people participate in these brawls. ‘participate in’. Some people ‘participated’ by spearing and beating other people with poles. Others ‘participated’ by being speared and beaten. And some choose their words to paint a picture of neither side being particularly at fault. > [@](#): > > There are probably many who deserve punishment but were not convicted because it is difficult to accurately ascribe blame in a situation like that. As **Kimstu** has reminded you, there is video, which certainly makes the task a lot easier. > [@](#): > > Thankfully you two goons weren’t the judge, jury and executioner. You would have served Robespierre admirably. I bet I can speak for\*\* Kimstu\*\* as well as myself when I say the idea that either of us would have wanted such a role is ridiculous. Fortunately, this country still has a functioning legal system with judges, juries, and jails, which are all going about their duties, having convicted at least one of the ‘participants’ already. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2018, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/218 "2018-11-06T19:40:17Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I favor non-violence and the dissolving of the central government and its monopoly on violence Thomas Hobbes would like a word with you. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2018, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/219 "2018-11-07T03:28:23Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > The Republicans, obviously. Just got tired of seeing this argument (I won’t call it a debate) spill into other threads ever since the “Democrats Produce Mobs, Republicans Produce Jobs” thread was closed. > > Figured I’d open this one in the Pit, since that’s where the closed thread would have gone if it had been kept open. I dunno. Here in Chicagoland the Mob tends Dem. Oh, you meant something else. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828/220 "2018-11-09T21:26:56Z")
_ **{{{CRUCIAL}}}** _ four-day recovery of this thread to point out that Sabbath-era RJD would have had a word or two about this whole [mob](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTxSNosJrDo) thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-party-has-the-mobs/823828.md?page=12)