# Which trope? Mooks join leader in self-sacrifice **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 30, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-trope-mooks-join-leader-in-self-sacrifice/783341 "2017-03-30T11:46:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-trope-mooks-join-leader-in-self-sacrifice/783341/1 "2017-03-30T11:46:10Z")
Open spoilers for Star Wars Rebels ahead! (Spoiler space) (More spoiler space, just in case) In the finale of Star Wars Rebels Season 3, Sato, one of the Rebel leaders, decides to sacrifice himself and carry out a kamikaze run on the Imperial Interdictor. Two of the bridge crew volunteer to join him after Sato orders the crew to abandon the ship. The whole thing is a Heroic Sacrifice, of course, but what is the name of the trope of the mooks joining in? Undying Loyalty, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-trope-mooks-join-leader-in-self-sacrifice/783341/2 "2017-03-30T12:14:42Z")
[Going Down with the Ship](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoingDownWithTheShip), I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-trope-mooks-join-leader-in-self-sacrifice/783341/3 "2017-03-30T14:46:07Z")
IIRC I tried a few years ago to propose a YYTTW entry about how the morale of mooks NEVER breaks, no matter how many casualties they incur. The latest Wolverine movie did that, when Laura kept slicing and dicing them left and right, and not a single one broke. Yeah, Special Forces training and such, but even when the mooks don’t have that kind of training they still seem to stand there and die to the last man. Contrast with the behavior of real armies down through the ages when it is clear that they are outclassed… ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-trope-mooks-join-leader-in-self-sacrifice/783341/4 "2017-03-30T14:53:16Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > IIRC I tried a few years ago to propose a YYTTW entry about how the morale of mooks NEVER breaks, no matter how many casualties they incur. The latest Wolverine movie did that, when Laura kept slicing and dicing them left and right, and not a single one broke. Yeah, Special Forces training and such, but even when the mooks don’t have that kind of training they still seem to stand there and die to the last man. Contrast with the behavior of real armies down through the ages when it is clear that they are outclassed… Iron Man III has an exception to that. Stark was in the bad guy compound and gets part of his armor on and starts blasting bad guys. One of the mooks puts his hands up and says “I’m just here for a paycheck, I don’t even like these guys!” and runs away . ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-trope-mooks-join-leader-in-self-sacrifice/783341/5 "2017-03-30T15:58:30Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > [Going Down with the Ship](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoingDownWithTheShip), I’d say. I thought of that, but these are mooks, not the Captain, and all other personnel have been told to abandon ship. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-trope-mooks-join-leader-in-self-sacrifice/783341/6 "2017-03-30T16:34:02Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I thought of that, but these are mooks, not the Captain, and all other personnel have been told to abandon ship. But the trope definition says “This can also extend to other crewmen, usually so they can oversee and direct passengers onto the lifeboats first.” The other crewmen stayed to help aim, not for the heck of it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/which-trope-mooks-join-leader-in-self-sacrifice/783341/7 "2017-03-30T17:08:24Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > IIRC I tried a few years ago to propose a YYTTW entry about how the morale of mooks NEVER breaks, no matter how many casualties they incur. The latest Wolverine movie did that, when Laura kept slicing and dicing them left and right, and not a single one broke. Yeah, Special Forces training and such, but even when the mooks don’t have that kind of training they still seem to stand there and die to the last man. Contrast with the behavior of real armies down through the ages when it is clear that they are outclassed… > [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > Iron Man III has an exception to that. Stark was in the bad guy compound and gets part of his armor on and starts blasting bad guys. One of the mooks puts his hands up and says “I’m just here for a paycheck, I don’t even like these guys!” and runs away . There is also this bit from _Captain America: The First Avenger_: > [@](#): > > **HYDRA Mook:** I’m sorry, Herr Schmidt. We fought to the last man. > **Red Skull:** Evidently not. _(shoots him)_