# Whisky Tango Foxtrot!!! Shooting at the Holocaust Museum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363 "2009-06-10T17:56:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/1 "2009-06-10T17:56:34Z")
[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31208188/) I have no idea what the motive can be, but the effing Holocaust Museum? This was not a random choice. Some neo-nazi skinhead crazeoid? Ugh…I am going to be sick. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/2 "2009-06-10T18:04:48Z")
Well, details are lacking at present, to say the least, but it certainly appears fortunate that armed guards were on the premises. ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/3 "2009-06-10T18:08:09Z")
I remember (when I visited it about 10 years ago) that the Holocaust Museum had tighter security than the airport I traveled through on my way to DC. So the possibility of violence has clearly been considered, and is why they have metal detectors and armed guards. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/4 "2009-06-10T18:37:44Z")
Last little blurb I saw, which will probably be inaccurate, said the shooter was born in 1920. Not sure how anyone could know that yet. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/5 "2009-06-10T18:38:55Z")
Supposedly, according to a CNN flash, the shooter was one of those injured. So they might know his age from any ID he was carrying. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/6 "2009-06-10T18:39:44Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Last little blurb I saw, which will probably be inaccurate, said the shooter was born in 1920. Not sure how anyone could know that yet. The gunman was shot too. Presumably he gave hospital staff or paramedics his date of birth. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/7 "2009-06-10T18:51:00Z")
Kind of odd that they phrased it that way. Why not just say the shooter was 89? ETA: holy shit … the shooter was 89?!? ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/8 "2009-06-10T18:51:56Z")
From [this story](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/shots-fired-national-holocaust-museum-dc/)- > [@](#): > > The gunman has been identified as James Von Brunn, a man with apparent links to the white supremacist movement. Edit- Googling his name pulls up multiple hits on the likes of Stormfront & Holy Western Empire, and [this Wiki entry is not exactly flattering](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:James_von_Brunn). ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/9 "2009-06-10T18:53:48Z")
CNN is reporting the shooter is 88. If that’s true, that’s a long time to be carrying around that kind of hate. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/10 "2009-06-10T18:54:50Z")
Color me confused as to why they need that much security at the Holocaust Museum. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/11 "2009-06-10T18:56:02Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Color me confused as to why they need that much security at the Holocaust Museum. I would have thought this story would have cleared that up for you. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/12 "2009-06-10T18:56:18Z")
Are you kidding, **PlainJain**? The kind of people who hate Jews are exactly the kind of people who would bring a weapon into a Holocaust memorial and open fire. The one in Battery Park has better security than anywhere I have ever been. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/13 "2009-06-10T19:07:06Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > CNN is reporting the shooter is 88. If that’s true, that’s a long time to be carrying around that kind of hate. He had to hurry to get the shooting done before his next birthday, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/14 "2009-06-10T19:09:32Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > He had to hurry to get the shooting done before his next birthday, I guess. …but couldn’t hold out 'til December. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/15 "2009-06-10T19:12:48Z")
According to [this Washington Post article](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/livecoverage/2009/06/details_on_white_supremacist_s.html), one of the things we Jews do that he doesn’t like is “deliberately fart in business meetings”. As Dave Barry would say, I swear I am not making this up. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/16 "2009-06-10T19:14:09Z")
Well, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/17 "2009-06-10T19:16:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, do you? Not deliberately. ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/18 "2009-06-10T19:20:00Z")
> [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > According to [this Washington Post article](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/livecoverage/2009/06/details_on_white_supremacist_s.html), one of the things we Jews do that he doesn’t like is “deliberately fart in business meetings”. As Dave Barry would say, I swear I am not making this up. 😕 I’m not Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/19 "2009-06-10T19:20:04Z")
It’s the damn gefilte fish, and the corned beef on rye deli sandwiches that does it! Oy! I feel so much better now, could you please open a window? Some people just hate. Unfortunately, some of them also seem to be able to obtain guns. It’s sickening that someplace like the Holocaust museum needs armed guards and big security but since the place is about facing unpleasant realities then we must accept that it is necessary. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/20 "2009-06-10T19:21:03Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > CNN is reporting the shooter is 88. I’d have figured he’d be shooting blanks. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363.md?page=2)