# Whisky Tango Foxtrot!!! Shooting at the Holocaust Museum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363 "2009-06-10T17:56:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/181 "2009-06-17T13:47:00Z")
A conspiracy to frame a conspiracy theorist by staging a holocaust at the Holocaust Museum. How meta is that? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/182 "2009-06-17T14:58:44Z")
I think the underlying issue is that the conspiracy theorists need the PTB/One World Government/etc to _care_ what they think. I see nothing in the supposed endgoal of that conspiracy theory that couldn’t have been accomplished without bothering to shoot some people and frame a random nutjob. It only makes sense if the Evil People perceive the conspiracy theorists to be some sort of threat to their plans and need to discredit them. Thus do they feel important. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/183 "2009-06-17T16:09:42Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > The funny thing is, you only think you’re joking. > > [Conspiracy!](http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/16/museum.shooting/index.html) Well, I suppose one could argue that the number of shooting victims (2) has been wildly exaggerated by the Zionist-controlled media!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/184 "2009-06-17T16:23:59Z")
_““It’s possible that he [von Brunn] might have been enticed to the Holocaust Museum,” said Ghost Troop member William Fox. Fox said that Israeli intelligence agents could have shot security officer Stephen Johns, then shot von Brunn, then planted the rifle.”_ What did they “entice” him with? Gift shop goodies? A lox and bagel special? Free Geritol? \*“Today’s shootings at the DC Holocaust Museum bear some of the classic earmarks of a false flag operation,” wrote conspiracy theorist Eric May on the Web site [amfirstbooks.com](http://amfirstbooks.com). “Mind you, I’m not asserting that this is a false flag operation, but neither am I discounting the possibility” May wrote\* Damn, that sounds like something I read in a Dope thread about the neocon/Israel Lobby conspiracy to embroil us in war in the Middle East. “It could be true: maybe not, but we must be vewy vewy careful.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/185 "2009-06-17T16:46:24Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > _““It’s possible that he [von Brunn] might have been enticed to the Holocaust Museum,” said Ghost Troop member William Fox. Fox said that Israeli intelligence agents could have shot security officer Stephen Johns, then shot von Brunn, then planted the rifle.”_ > > What did they “entice” him with? Gift shop goodies? A lox and bagel special? Free Geritol? And what did they “entice” all the witnesses with, I wonder? This is the stuff you always wish they would explain. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/186 "2009-06-17T16:55:25Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > … What did they “entice” him with?.. . Targets. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/187 "2009-06-17T17:06:52Z")
You all sound so skeptical, but it makes perfect sense to me. I saw some very similar covert stuff in a documentary a few years ago called _The Bourne Identity_. Watch the upcoming documentary titled _G.I. Joe_ to learn more about this world of black ops. Now if you will excuse me, I must go destroy Skynet. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/188 "2009-06-17T18:32:14Z")
“Ghost Troop” seems to have a lot in common with “F Troop”. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/189 "2009-06-17T19:00:11Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Today’s shootings at the DC Holocaust Museum bear some of the classic earmarks of a false flag operation," wrote conspiracy theorist Eric May on the Web site [amfirstbooks.com](http://amfirstbooks.com). I suppose it _could_ be a 'false flag operation, but I’m reminded of the Kevin Kline character in _ **A Fish Called Wanda** _ - this Holocaust Museum shooting was so obviously an X-K-Red-27 technique. But of course everybody knows you don’t keep the general public informed when you are debriefing KGB defectors in a safe house…so who really knows? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/190 "2009-06-17T19:44:28Z")
“Thank you for popping in and protecting us, Mr. Manfredjinsin!” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/191 "2009-06-17T20:48:41Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > “Ghost Troop” seems to have a lot in common with “F Troop”. Except May sounds way stupider than Agarn - or even Colonel Parmenter. The article says Ghost troop is made up of, among others, ex-military. So DHS wasn’t paranoid after all. ---
**Author:** ![Goblinmama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3be4f8/32.png) [@Goblinmama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Goblinmama)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/192 "2009-06-18T15:04:23Z")
> [@wintertime](#): > > … Your jewish neighbours were beaten up by the SA, lost their jobs, their businesses, their homes, their rights, were treated like sub-humans, tortured, had to leave their country or were imprisoned in concentration camps and were killed, killed, killed .. May I politely point out that, while I am not attempting to ignore or lessen the fact that Jewish people were murdered (there is no other PC word for it), that Christians, Gypsies and others were \*\*also \*\* murdered by the same means & for the same “reason”? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/193 "2009-06-18T15:18:03Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Except May sounds way stupider than Agarn - or even Colonel Parmenter. Captain. _Captain_ Parmenter. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/194 "2009-06-18T15:19:03Z")
> [@Goblinmama](#): > > May I politely point out that, while I am not attempting to ignore or lessen the fact that Jewish people were murdered (there is no other PC word for it), that Christians, Gypsies and others were \*\*also \*\* murdered by the same means & for the same “reason”? Because they were Jewish? That doesn’t sound right… ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/195 "2009-06-18T15:21:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Because they were Jewish? > > That doesn’t sound right… Damn, beat me to it. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/196 "2009-06-18T18:57:28Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “. . . embed themselves among their cattle and suck their vital juices **undetected**.” So Clinton told the truth, as he knew it. [Bolding mine] > [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@Revtim](#): > > > > I think I disagree vehemently with pretty much everything you post here, but I found that funny and I will steal it if the opportunity arises. > > Ditto. What \*\*Gyrate \*\*said. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/197 "2009-06-18T19:18:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Captain. > > _Captain_ Parmenter. Damn. I must have been thinking of Klink. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/198 "2009-06-18T19:36:31Z")
Or possibly Hogan. Colonel Hogan. Or Major. Major Major. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/199 "2009-06-19T03:20:46Z")
Looks like Von Brunn has added [fan of kiddie porn](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/18/AR2009061802237.html?hpid=topnews) to his list of fine qualities. > [@Washington Post](#): > > Authorities discovered child pornography on a computer belonging to James W. von Brunn, the 88-year-old white supremacist accused of killing a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum last week, according to court documents filed by the FBI. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/200 "2009-06-19T03:45:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=87707) you go (although I may have remembered it incorrectly as this one was started on 9/17). Thanks!!! I’ve been looking for that thread forever! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363.md?page=11)