# Whisky Tango Foxtrot!!! Shooting at the Holocaust Museum **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 10, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363 "2009-06-10T17:56:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![PoorYorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecccb3/32.png) [@PoorYorick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoorYorick)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/21 "2009-06-10T19:21:21Z")
> [@EJsGirl](#): > > Edit- Googling his name pulls up multiple hits on the likes of Stormfront & Holy Western Empire, and [this Wiki entry is not exactly flattering](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:James_von_Brunn). Hmm, it looks like his Wiki entry has been modified in the last hour to something [a tad more flattering and a lot more crazy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:James_von_Brunn). Before it gets changed again: Apparently he was convicted by a “kangaroo court” in 1981 for trying to perform a citizen’s arrest on the Federal Resrve Board of Governors. The sentence was affirmed by a “racially motivated” appeals court. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/22 "2009-06-10T19:23:50Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > He had to hurry to get the shooting done before his next birthday, I guess. Doesn’t sound like he’ll be carrying it around much longer, but I did wonder if his health was poor and he decided to go out with a blaze of angry violent old man glory. (If so, too bad he didn’t get sicker faster.) The guy’s Web page says he did 6 years in jail for trying to put a citizen’s arrest on the federal reserve or something, so this guy was very experienced at being a bigoted fucking loon. Unfortunately it doesn’t sound good for the security guard. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/23 "2009-06-10T19:25:00Z")
> [@PoorYorick](#): > > Hmm, it looks like his Wiki entry has been modified in the last hour to something [a tad more flattering and a lot more crazy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:James_von_Brunn). Before it gets changed again: Apparently he was convicted by a “kangaroo court” in 1981 for trying to perform a citizen’s arrest on the Federal Resrve Board of Governors. The sentence was affirmed by a “racially motivated” appeals court. Clearly, his motivation for the attack was… wait, to get his Wiki entry fixed? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/24 "2009-06-10T19:32:56Z")
What can I say… that’s what the security guards were there for. They did their job, and they did it well. My prayers are with them. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/25 "2009-06-10T19:34:27Z")
And now the Wiki entry is just blank. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/26 "2009-06-10T19:35:57Z")
> [@PoorYorick](#): > > Hmm, it looks like his Wiki entry has been modified in the last hour to something [a tad more flattering and a lot more crazy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:James_von_Brunn). Before it gets changed again: Apparently he was convicted by a “kangaroo court” in 1981 for trying to perform a citizen’s arrest on the Federal Resrve Board of Governors. The sentence was affirmed by a “racially motivated” appeals court. That’s not his wiki entry…that’s his wiki user page. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/27 "2009-06-10T19:36:05Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > I’d have figured he’d be shooting blanks. WIN! ---
**Author:** ![PoorYorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecccb3/32.png) [@PoorYorick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoorYorick)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/28 "2009-06-10T19:39:05Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > That’s not his wiki entry…that’s his wiki user page. I just clicked on **EJsGirl’s** link and didn’t notice. Either way, as **Der Trihs** pointed out, it’s blank now. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/29 "2009-06-10T19:43:19Z")
If you check the history of von Brunn’s wiki User page, it looks like he (or someone using his name) created it one month ago with the following text: > [@](#): > > User: James W. von Brunn, b.1920, attempted to place the Federal Resrve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent citizens arrest, 12-7-81. Von Brunn charged the FED with treason and other high crimes. The FED, a private stock-company, owned by International bankers, financed the construction of manufacturing plants in the Soviet Union during the “Cold War.” War materials, produced by FED financed plants, were used by the Enemy against American military forces in Viet Nam, and elsewhere. > > Von Brunn was tried and convicted by a Washington, D.C. kangaroo court; then sentenced to eleven years in federal prison by Judge Harriet Rosen Taylor; the sentence was confirmed by a racially motivated Appeals Court. Von Brunn was imprisoned for 6.5-years. > > Von Brunn champions Western Culture,and the practice of Eugenics. He states that Marxism-Multiculturalism-Judaism is the Enemy of Mankind.citing Talmudic quotes to “Kill the Best Gentiles !” > > Von Brunn was president of his college fraternity, SAE. He served as PT-Boat captain, USNR, during WW2, earning 4-battle stars and a Commendation Ribbon. His early business career was in NYC as copywriter, art-director and film producer; later as a real-estate broker; and lastly as a writer-artist. It went unchanged until today. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/30 "2009-06-10T19:43:22Z")
There is already a Wiki page on the shooting [here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Von_Brunn). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/31 "2009-06-10T19:45:38Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > What can I say… that’s what the security guards were there for. They did their job, and they did it well. My prayers are with them. Mine too. Awful stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/32 "2009-06-10T19:49:55Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, do you? Only in meetings with anti-Semitic scum. ---
**Author:** ![Frustrated\_Wonderer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a4c791/32.png) [@Frustrated\_Wonderer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frustrated_Wonderer)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/33 "2009-06-10T19:50:43Z")
Good this did not escalate into something worse, but I do hate it when the Media puts on the same story for hours. Days sometimes, it gets real boring, real soon. Thankfully this did not end up being too bad, but move on… ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/34 "2009-06-10T19:53:33Z")
[Here’s some links](http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/06/profile_of_james_w_von_brunn.php) to more info on Brunn complied by Muckraker. Seems to be a real freakazoid who uses the word “Whitemen”. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/35 "2009-06-10T19:55:04Z")
As to the alleged shooter’s age - 88 is a number with significance among white supremacists/neo-Nazis (apparently a code for Heil Hitler, H being the 8th letter of the alphabet). So if he wanted to make a statement… Seeing that this guy was apparently a decorated WWII veteran, it’s bewildering to contemplate that he became the sort of person he originally went to war to defeat. > [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > According to [this Washington Post article](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/livecoverage/2009/06/details_on_white_supremacist_s.html), one of the things we Jews do that he doesn’t like is “deliberately fart in business meetings”. I would try this at our department meetings, but I think it would take more than a few Mexican dinners to break up one of those suckers. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/36 "2009-06-10T19:59:45Z")
I work a few blocks from there…cops everywhere, as you might expect… I think we need to step up the research on that Nutbag About To Break Bad Dectector. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/37 "2009-06-10T20:05:44Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Color me confused as to why they need that much security at the Holocaust Museum. My run-of-the-mill neighborhood temple has armed guards. How many Christian churchs feel like they need that sort of security? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/38 "2009-06-10T20:10:10Z")
“International bankers”? Nice to know these folks just aren’t capable of changing their codewords when they become well-known to the general public. ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/39 "2009-06-10T20:14:07Z")
> [@](#): > > User: James W. von Brunn, b.1920, attempted to place the Federal Resrve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent citizens arrest, 12-7-81. Von Brunn charged the FED with treason and other high crimes. The FED, a private **stock-company** , owned by International bankers, financed the construction of manufacturing plants in the Soviet Union during the “Cold War.” War materials, produced by FED financed plants, were used by the Enemy against American military forces in Viet Nam, and elsewhere. > > Von Brunn was tried and convicted by a Washington, D.C. kangaroo court; then sentenced to eleven years in federal prison by Judge Harriet **Rosen** Taylor; the sentence was confirmed by a racially motivated Appeals Court. Von Brunn was imprisoned for **6.5-years**. > > Von Brunn champions Western Culture,and the practice of Eugenics. He states that **Marxism-Multiculturalism-Judaism** is the Enemy of Mankind.citing Talmudic quotes to “Kill the Best Gentiles !” > > Von Brunn was president of his college fraternity, SAE. He served as **PT-Boat** captain, USNR, during WW2, earning **4-battle** stars and a Commendation Ribbon. His early business career was in NYC as copywriter, **art-director** and film producer; later as a **real-estate** broker; and lastly as a **writer-artist**. Sombebody seems to like dashes. A-lot. Also note the possibly-Jewish middle-name of the sentencing-judge. That must’ve left him ticked-off. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363/40 "2009-06-10T20:16:38Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > Color me confused as to why they need that much security at the Holocaust Museum. We were there a year ago. There are things like special revolving doors that are designed to keep the building from being rushed by the Hatin’ Bastids. Or so I’m told. It is widely understood that this place would be a target. I wish I could say I enjoyed my visit. There is an AWFUL lot to absorb, and too many pushing crowds to do it justice. It needs to be twice as big and open 24/7. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whisky-tango-foxtrot-shooting-at-the-holocaust-museum/499363.md?page=3)