# White House announces Russian sanctions. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 29, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863 "2016-12-29T20:31:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/281 "2017-01-05T17:09:15Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > It’s amusing to see some liberals holding up the FBI as exemplars of truth and damning the whistleblowers. I happen to think that people like Assange and Snowden are the good guys and the intelligence community is at times totally untrustworthy, especially in political broils In what specific way has the intelligence community been untrustworthy in their assessment of existing cyber-security threats or their position on Assange and Snowden? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/282 "2017-01-05T17:10:38Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I can’t believe that turned out to be bullshit. “Sad!” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/283 "2017-01-05T17:19:14Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > It’s amusing to see some liberals holding up the FBI as exemplars of truth and damning the whistleblowers. I happen to think that people like Assange and Snowden are the good guys and the intelligence community is at times totally untrustworthy, especially in political broils Party before country. You couldn’t make it more plain. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/284 "2017-01-05T17:26:25Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > McCain is an old school Republican. Modern Republicans know that the only important thing is The Party. And if it means that you have to collaborate with Russian oligarchs and criminals to get your party elected, it does not matter if you toss your country under the bus. Cite? I’m not aware of any serious evidence that Trump / Republicans “collaborated” with Russian oligarchs and criminals on the DNC / Podesta leaks. Do you have any? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/285 "2017-01-05T17:31:56Z")
So, here you are, the staunch and relentless enemy of exaggeration and hyperbole. Would that it were so. So, tell us, what were you expecting when Il Douche told us all that he had special secret intelligence he was going to deliver “Tuesday or Wednesday”? By the way, this is Thursday… ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/286 "2017-01-05T17:43:42Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Just for those keeping track, I just listened to the Senate Intel Committee cybersecurity hearing with National Intelligence Director James Clapper, Cyber Command Chief Admiral Mike Rogers, and Defense Undersecretary Marcel Lettre. (Senator Claire McCaskill tried to get Clapper to call Trump a traitor by asking if Trump’s dismissive attitude towards the intelligence community aided our enemies!) > > The hearing was not specifically about Russia but Russia obviously came up. They said they are 100% confident it was Russia and much more confident today than they were last time they spoke about it in October but didn’t want to talk about it until everyone has the report. > > They said the report is almost ready. They’ll be giving a classified version to Obama, Trump and Congress and will hold classified meetings with Congress to discuss it at the first of the week. They’ll also be releasing the unclassified version Monday for the public. Clapper said that while they do have to protect some sources, they’re going to push the envelope in favor of openness and make it as informative as possible since this is so important to the public. Interestingly enough, neither FBI nor other intelligence agencies ever examined DNC servers themselves. [http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312767-fbi-never-examined-hacked-dnc-servers-report](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312767-fbi-never-examined-hacked-dnc-servers-report) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/287 "2017-01-05T17:47:30Z")
Why is that “interesting”? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/288 "2017-01-05T17:55:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Cite? I’m not aware of any serious evidence that Trump / Republicans “collaborated” with Russian oligarchs and criminals on the DNC / Podesta leaks. Do you have any? There are no actual pay stubs with Trumps name on them from the Kremlin! He just accepts the word of Russian spys over that of US Intelligence agents who have sworn an oath to the constitution! So it’s all OK! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/289 "2017-01-05T17:59:53Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Cite? I’m not aware of any serious evidence that Trump / Republicans “collaborated” with Russian oligarchs and criminals on the DNC / Podesta leaks. Do you have any? Useful idiots are never entrusted with the dirty work. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/290 "2017-01-05T18:01:44Z")
In days Trump will swear his own oath. It’s cool, because I’m sure he’s studied the Constitution. Or at least read it once. Or glanced at it. Hey, I’m sure he knows there’s a thing called the Constitution, and that it is important. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/291 "2017-01-05T18:02:31Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Interestingly enough, neither FBI nor other intelligence agencies ever examined DNC servers themselves. > > [http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312767-fbi-never-examined-hacked-dnc-servers-report](http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312767-fbi-never-examined-hacked-dnc-servers-report) No need to, Crowdstrike imaged the discs. If you think about it, the alternative would be to take all the DNC computers to the FBI lab and examine them while the DNC replaced all their computers and rebuilt their network from scratch. The logical thing is what happened. Crowdstrike imaged the discs, cleaned the computers, the DNC got back to work and everyone has a bit for bit disc image of the infected computers to work with. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/292 "2017-01-05T18:12:42Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > No need to, Crowdstrike imaged the discs. If you think about it, the alternative would be to take all the DNC computers to the FBI lab and examine them while the DNC replaced all their computers and rebuilt their network from scratch. The logical thing is what happened. Crowdstrike imaged the discs, cleaned the computers, the DNC got back to work and everyone has a bit for bit disc image of the infected computers to work with. Kinda like saying “No need for the police forensic specialists to come look at the scene of the crime, the private security company performed the analysis, then moved everything very carefully to their headquarters and recreated the scene there, so if the police wants to they can go examine it there. Or just use the private company’s gathered evidence.” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/293 "2017-01-05T18:16:16Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > …They said the report is almost ready. They’ll be giving a classified version to Obama, Trump and Congress and will hold classified meetings with Congress to discuss it at the first of the week. They’ll also be releasing the unclassified version Monday for the public. (post shortened) So the official report won’t be available until Monday. Maybe. That’s good to know. Does this mean that the rest of this public conversation is more political than factual in nature? Has this been more of a “he says/she says” fingerderpoken blame-game time-killer? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/294 "2017-01-05T18:21:47Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > \*\*doorhinge \*\*now knows that Assange is a good guy - like Putin. > > He has been told this by Trump himself. So in his mind, it is now a fact, and must be defended at all costs. Hahahaha. I’ve already stated that I don’t like Assange. In this very thread. But you have no way of knowing that. Keep up the good work. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/295 "2017-01-05T18:23:10Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > So the official report won’t be available until Monday. Maybe. That’s good to know. > > Does this mean that the rest of this public conversation is more political than factual in nature? Has this been more of a “he says/she says” fingerderpoken blame-game time-killer? No. It means that the report will be available Monday, after briefings have been held with the current president, the president elect, and members of the Senate. You must have mistaken this for one of Trump’s “announcements” that he’s going to tell us all of the special stuff he knows Yesterday. We’re still waiting with bated breath for the Great Man’s announcement. Also the bombshell about Trump’s investigators in Hawaii who will "uncover “one of the greatest cons in the history of politics and beyond. I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they’re finding.” Can’t wait for that one. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/296 "2017-01-05T18:24:40Z")
> [@](#): > > …Does this mean that the rest of this public conversation is more political than factual in nature? Has this been more of a “he says/she says” fingerderpoken blame-game time-killer?.. Insinuation firmly supported by suggestion, buttressed by intuition without being sullied with evidence. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/297 "2017-01-05T18:28:13Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > There are no actual pay stubs with Trumps name on them from the Kremlin! He just accepts the word of Russian spys over that of US Intelligence agents who have sworn an oath to the constitution! So it’s all OK! So you don’t have any evidence to support your “collaborate” claim? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/298 "2017-01-05T18:30:52Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > You’re embarrassing yourself. The DNC embarrassed itself when it allowed itself to be hacked. The DNC was embarrassed when the contents of it’s emails became public. Hillary’s campaign was embarrassed because Obama didn’t do anything about the Russian interference BEFORE it was too late to help Hillary’s election. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/299 "2017-01-05T18:37:07Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Kinda like saying “No need for the police forensic specialists to come look at the scene of the crime, the private security company performed the analysis, then moved everything very carefully to their headquarters and recreated the scene there, so if the police wants to they can go examine it there. Or just use the private company’s gathered evidence.” No, not like that at all. A disc image is as good as having the actual computer. > [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > So the official report won’t be available until Monday. Maybe. That’s good to know. > > Does this mean that the rest of this public conversation is more political than factual in nature? Has this been more of a “he says/she says” fingerderpoken blame-game time-killer? No, there are a lot of facts publicly available that your side is ignoring because of your political bias. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/300 "2017-01-05T18:37:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > …You must have mistaken this for one of Trump’s “announcements” that he’s going to tell us all of the special stuff he knows Yesterday. (post shortened) Hahahaha. And you assume that Trump’s information could not possibly be coming from the same sources as the “official” report now due on Monday? The same “official” report that keeps getting delayed? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863.md?page=16)