# White House announces Russian sanctions. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 29, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863 "2016-12-29T20:31:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/301 "2017-01-05T18:38:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Insinuation firmly supported by suggestion, buttressed by intuition without being sullied with evidence. Nothing like the purity of argument from abject ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/302 "2017-01-05T18:38:50Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > So you don’t have any evidence to support your “collaborate” claim? Trump is not an actual paid agent of the Kremlin. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/303 "2017-01-05T18:39:32Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The DNC embarrassed itself when it allowed itself to be hacked. > The DNC was embarrassed when the contents of it’s emails became public. > Hillary’s campaign was embarrassed because Obama didn’t do anything about the Russian interference BEFORE it was too late to help Hillary’s election. It isn’t really a defense to the charge that your are not distinguishing yourself in this thread by throwing out examples of others who embarrassed themselves through their actions. If anything, it implies that you think of yourself as being in good company with these other ignominious organizations. So, you may want to reconsider your retorts if you have no interest in improving your arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/304 "2017-01-05T18:42:12Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > Hahahaha. And you assume that Trump’s information could not possibly be coming from the same sources as the “official” report now due on Monday? The same “official” report that keeps getting delayed? [The official report does not keep getting delayed. This is a Trump lie.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/03/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-briefing-russian-hack-delay/) Why do you believe Trump’s lies? Trumpster Tweet: > [@](#): > > The “Intelligence” briefing on so-called “Russian hacking” was delayed until Friday, perhaps more time needed to build a case. Very strange! > [@](#): > > US intelligence officials disputed Trump’s tweet alleging a delay. > > Top US intelligence officials have been scheduled to brief Trump on the full report on Russian hacking President Barack Obama ordered once it was completed, but the meeting was not set to take place until later in the week, according to US officials. > > The meeting was never scheduled for Tuesday, as even Obama has yet to receive the full-fledged briefing on the Russian hacking, one US official said. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/305 "2017-01-05T18:42:26Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Trump tweets he’s “a big fan of intelligence”. I’m sure this is true; > > Trouble is, he’s a big fan of Russian Intelligence. “In Putin’s Russia, intelligence agencies are a big fan of Trump!” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/306 "2017-01-05T18:44:13Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > No, there are a lot of facts publicly available that your side is ignoring because of your political bias. (post shortened) If there are “a lot of facts publicly available”, I wonder why there is a need for another (soon to be released) report? I enjoy investigations. Currently, I just want to see the final report. Before I decide who is responsible, and what they are responsible for. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/307 "2017-01-05T18:49:12Z")
“In the meantime, I’m going to believe every word that Donald Trump says, because he’s so honest and trustworthy.” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/308 "2017-01-05T18:53:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > [The official report does not keep getting delayed. This is a Trump lie.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/03/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-briefing-russian-hack-delay/) > > Why do you believe Trump’s lies? > > Trumpster Tweet: From your cited article: _Trump on Tuesday did receive a classified intelligence briefing – the Presidential Daily Briefing – which Trump has elected to receive only sporadically. But it did not dive deeply into the Russian hacking._ It appears that Trump did have a meeting on this issue last Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/309 "2017-01-05T18:58:54Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > From your cited article: > > _Trump on Tuesday did receive a classified intelligence briefing – the Presidential Daily Briefing – which Trump has elected to receive only sporadically. But it did not dive deeply into the Russian hacking._ > > It appears that Trump did have a meeting on this issue last Tuesday. No, he had the usual, expected classified intelligence briefing. The specific briefing with details about Russian hacking was never scheduled for Tuesday, and was never delayed. Trump’s tweet was simply a lie. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/310 "2017-01-05T19:12:39Z")
Trump said, “You’ll find out Tuesday or Wednesday.” Today is Thursday. Any part of that you don’t understand? We’re here to help. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/311 "2017-01-05T19:20:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > No, he had the usual, expected classified intelligence briefing. The specific briefing with details about Russian hacking was never scheduled for Tuesday, and was never delayed. Trump’s tweet was simply a lie. You’re saying that Trump had a briefing on Tuesday, and there is a more specific briefing scheduled for later. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/312 "2017-01-05T19:24:02Z")
He told you that he had special knowledge that others did not have. That he would reveal this special knowledge “Tuesday or Wednesday”. Its Thursday, and he didn’t. He didn’t even have the decency to make an excuse, he just ignored it. He lied. Get it? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/313 "2017-01-05T19:32:34Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He told you that he had special knowledge that others did not have. That he would reveal this special knowledge “Tuesday or Wednesday”. Its Thursday, and he didn’t. He didn’t even have the decency to make an excuse, he just ignored it. > > He lied. Get it? He didn’t tell me anything. I don’t have a twitter account. However, we’ve got time before the “official” report is released on Monday. Or next Tuesday or Wednesday, if it’s delayed. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/314 "2017-01-05T19:35:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > … he would reveal this special knowledge “Tuesday or Wednesday”. Its Thursday, and he didn’t… I think that’s because he’s under audit or something. Maybe when the audit is over. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/315 "2017-01-05T20:05:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He told you that he had special knowledge that others did not have. That he would reveal this special knowledge “Tuesday or Wednesday”. Its Thursday, and he didn’t. He didn’t even have the decency to make an excuse, he just ignored it. > > He lied. Get it? Wait, wasn’t his special knowledge that Julian Assange is a stand-up guy and would never stoop to saying nice things about Russians? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/316 "2017-01-05T20:28:30Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > He didn’t tell me anything. I don’t have a twitter account. However, we’ve got time before the “official” report is released on Monday. Or next Tuesday or Wednesday, if it’s delayed. Or maybe Twersday or Frimonday. Definitely not later than Sunsatday. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/317 "2017-01-05T20:39:58Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > He didn’t tell me anything. I don’t have a twitter account. However, we’ve got time before the “official” report is released on Monday. Or next Tuesday or Wednesday, if it’s delayed. Why do you keep trying to insinuate that it’s been delayed or will be delayed? It’s never been delayed. Not once. In fact, it’s only supposed to be done before Jan 20 so it’s actually two weeks early. Obama has gotten the classified report today. Trump gets briefed on it tomorrow, Congress will be briefed on it Monday (though I’m not clear on whether Congress gets the report on Monday or before) and the unclassified report comes out after they brief Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/318 "2017-01-05T22:22:41Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Why do you keep trying to insinuate that it’s been delayed or will be delayed? It’s never been delayed. Not once. In fact, it’s only supposed to be done before Jan 20 so it’s actually two weeks early. > > Obama has gotten the classified report today. Trump gets briefed on it tomorrow, Congress will be briefed on it Monday (though I’m not clear on whether Congress gets the report on Monday or before) and the unclassified report comes out after they brief Congress. This. And Trump lied about the timing, when he claimed the briefing was “delayed”. It was never delayed. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/319 "2017-01-06T01:09:20Z")
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/?utm\_term=.0e6d4349e0a9](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/?utm_term=.0e6d4349e0a9) **U.S. intercepts capture senior Russian officials celebrating Trump win** Briefly put, the Russian effort’s in cyber-adventurism were intended to influence the election in Trump’s favor. (Duh.) This opinion already existed but is underscored by evidence of Russian muky-mucks celebrating their success. Of interest, tidbits suggest that they didn’t think it was going to work, they were as surprised as everybody else. Which is interesting in a Tom Clancy meets Mel Brooks sort of way. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2017, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-announces-russian-sanctions/775863/320 "2017-01-06T01:10:36Z")
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