# White House "outs" ABC News reporter as gay (AND Canadian)?

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [July 18, 2003, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463 "2003-07-18T20:23:47Z")\
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**Author:** ![omni-not](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8dc957/32.png) [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/61 "2003-07-21T15:26:31Z")

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/62 "2003-07-21T16:53:27Z")

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**Andy** : Since you’re interested in facts, [read on](http://www.fair.org/activism/vandal-update.html).

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> The GSA, which is in charge of the maintenance of White House offices, sent a letter to Barr saying that “the condition of the real property was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants vacate office space after an extended occupancy” (New York Times, 5/19/01).
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> According to the GAO’s Bernard Ungar, “There was no [White House] record kept of any cords being cut or any damage to computers or copiers-- in general there was no proof of anything matching the allegations” (Associated Press, 5/18/01). In short, physical inspections of the buildings did not reveal any obvious damage, and the Bush White House could not document the specific charges that had been made.

And, while we’re at it (although you for some odd reason didn’t mention it)

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> Over the next two weeks, Fleischer and the Bush administration allowed the media to repeat the Air Force One story over and over, almost certainly knowing it was a lie. It was only _after_ Andrews Air Force Base took the wind out of the story that Bush acknowledged nothing had been missing from the plane, saying (2/13/01), “All the allegations that they took stuff off of Air Force One is simply not true.”

But that works “only if there is an open mind on the receiving end”, eh what?

Oh yeah, your “enemies list” stuff - _even to the extent that it’s true_, the worst one can call it is fighting fire with fire.

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**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/63 "2003-07-21T18:56:24Z")

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> \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \*  
> **Andy: Since you’re interested in facts, [read on](http://www.fair.org/activism/vandal-update.html).**

Oh, good Lord, \*\* ElvisL1ves,\*\* your quoting FAIR. Quoting FAIR is not getting facts – it’s getting the way-left spin from a group that has never hesitated to lie. Quoting FAIR is equivalent to saying no one ever need take you seriously anymore.

The only thing you can be sure about in FAIR reports is that the quotations are taking out of context and that only the aspects that supports FAIR’s side was quoted. That is why I quoted sources that would give both sides of the story. It’s called credibility. I, too, could quote Judicial Watch or some other right-wing source on this controversy, and such quotes would also have to be taken with huge grains of salt.

The bottom line is that the GAO reported up to $20,000 in damage.

And the dollar cost does not include “pranks” such as mid-directing call forwarding, leaving obscene messages on answering machines, putting comments on the backs of blank pages left in copy machines, etc.

I should know better than to present facts before someone who quotes FAIR. The FAIR crowd isn’t going to let reality change its view.

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> Oh yeah, your “enemies list” stuff - _even to the extent that it’s true_, the worst one can call it is fighting fire with fire.

You say “even if it’s true” – even after White House officials say it’s true.  
:rolleyes:  
It’s amazing how so many former civil libertarians will roll over and acceded to using government records against private citizens when it’s their politician who is doing it.

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**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/64 "2003-07-21T19:03:25Z")

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And one thing I would like to add about the FAIR page quoted by **ElvisL1ves.** It says:

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> That leaves little more than “inoperable keyboards”-- i.e., missing W’s-- and handmade signs poking fun at Bush-- what Fleischer calls “graffiti.” Those stories were long ago confirmed by Democrats and were never described as “vandalism” or “looting” in the media-- including on Fox. To portray them as some kind of retroactive corroboration for the fevered stories about “the trashing of the White House” stretches credulity.

This is how FAIR operates. It admits that even the Democrats acknowledged that keyboards were vandalized. It then _faults_ the GOP for including them in reports of vandalism!

That’s FAIR for you. Find a credible source, please.

The weirdest part of this quote is “Those stories were long ago confirmed by Democrats and were never described as “vandalism” or “looting” in the media-- including on Fox.”  
So if FAIR can’t find a previous news report calling this vandalism, then it’s not vandalism?

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/65 "2003-07-21T19:36:15Z")

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It’s called “par for the course”, **Andy**. Other news reports at the time that may have escaped your notice, since they weren’t on Fox, commented on similar pranks pulled in January 1993 by, well, you-know-who.

It does no good to your credibility to simply denounce sources that say things that disagree with your worldview, amigo. Nicely indignant spluttering in your defense of the “fair and balanced” network, though. An “open-minded” person, though, might have noted that the report you don’t like was from the GSA, not FAIR.

It’s called “reality”. Embrace it. Live it. The ignorance you fight may be your own.

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**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/66 "2003-07-21T20:07:54Z")

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I would loan **Satisfying Andy Licious** my copy of _The Hunting of the President,_ but I’m sure he/she would just denounce it as “way-left spin” without reading the damn thing. :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/67 "2003-07-21T21:02:11Z")

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> \*Originally posted before the thread was hijacked by Diogenes the Cynic \*  
> Tu quoque much, Andy? How does anything Clinton did (and I remember him defending himself against character assassination not engaging in it) let Bush off the hook right now?

Does anybody else feel that **Satisfying Andy Licious** ultimately succeeded in his tu quoque? Let’s get back on topic.

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**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/68 "2003-07-21T21:10:14Z")

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Wait! I want to tu quoque too!

If we are blessed with fifteen more months of transparent scummery on the part of the people in charge right now, we just might be able to see how the Bush staff conducts itself during its own departure.

[Given](http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/balt.vote.suppress.html) [the](http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/conventions/san.diego/news/time.daily/0728.shtml) [long](http://www.mcdems.org/media_center/archives/primary.gop.dirty.tricks.htm) [and](http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/080900-01.htm) [well](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/watergate/liddy.html) [documented](http://www.msnbc.com/onair/msnbc/timeandagain/archive/watergate/oct373.asp) [history](http://www.ksworkbeat.org/Issues/Election/Dirty_Tricks_in_Arkansas/dirty_tricks_in_arkansas.html) [of](http://www.paperlessarchives.com/watergate.html) [Republican](http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_cr/h920205-october-clips.htm) [dirty](http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/top/features/documents/02877253.htm) [tricks](http://www.infernalpress.com/Columns/election.html), [my](http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/2/reich-r.html) [prediction](http://www.pfm.org/PrisonFellowship/ChannelRoot/WelcomeGroup/ChuckColson/About+Charles+W.+Colson.htm) [is](http://www.msys.net/cress/ballots2/1876_who.htm) [that](http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Oct-31-Thu-2002/news/19966233.html) [the](http://www4.fosters.com/election_2002/oct/31/nh_tricks1031a.asp) “[W](http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_election_race/Story/0,2763,193249,00.html)” [in](http://www.hillnews.com/marshall/021903.aspx) [the](http://www.directmag.com/ar/marketing_new_hampshire_democrats_2/) [future](http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/feb0301.html) [W-gate](http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/3840) [won’t](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1005914.stm) [stand](http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnists/wickham/wick146.htm) [for](http://indiancountry.com/?1036161943) [a](http://www.themonitor.com/NewsPub/News/Stories/2002/11/01/10362104622.shtml) [keyboard](http://www.praesentia.us/archives/000013.html) [key](http://www.asianam.org/campaign_dirty_tricks.htm); [it](http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/goretruth.html) [will](http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,906979,00.html) [stand](http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/chanting.html) [for](http://mp.effinity.net/effinity/frames.asp?MPC=NVGOP) “[wiretap](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/articles/013173-2.htm).”

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**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/69 "2003-07-21T21:36:54Z")

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> \*Originally posted by NurseCarmen \*  
> **Originally posted before the thread was hijacked by Diogenes the Cynic**

hmmm, I meant to have a paren, or at least a comma in there. i.e:[ul]Originally posted (before the thread was hijacked) by Diogenes the Cynic  
or  
Originally posted, before the thread was hijacked, by Diogenes the Cynic[/ul]

Punctuation is our friend.

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**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2003, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/70 "2003-07-21T21:46:01Z")

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Hmm. No one is interested in Drudge’s hypocrisy?

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**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/71 "2003-07-22T02:52:46Z")

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> \*Originally posted by ElvisL1ves \*  
> **It’s called “par for the course”, Andy. Other news reports at the time that may have escaped your notice, since they weren’t on Fox, commented on similar pranks pulled in January 1993 by, well, you-know-who.**

Fox News wasn’t on the air in 1993. But thanks for making even more of an ass of yourself.

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> It does no good to your credibility to simply denounce sources that say things that disagree with your worldview, amigo.

Then cite a source that someone besides far-left whackos would trust. Honestly, posting a citation from FAIR is a formal declaration that you don’t have to be taken seriously.  
I, myself, have cited the Washington Post and CNN. Both are seen in some circles as being Clinton-friendly. At any rate, I can’t say either reflect my worldview. I cite them because they, at least, are considered mainstream and not the province of foil-hat wearing extremists.

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> Nicely indignant spluttering in your defense of the “fair and balanced” network, though. An “open-minded” person, though, might have noted that the report you don’t like was from the GSA, not FAIR.

The report was from the GAO, not GSA. But thanks for making an ass out of you _and_ your source.

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**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/72 "2003-07-22T03:13:19Z")

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> \*Originally posted by rjung \*  
> \*\*I would loan **Satisfying Andy Licious** my copy of _The Hunting of the President,_ but I’m sure he/she would just denounce it as “way-left spin” without reading the damn thing. :rolleyes: \*\*

Hokay, **rjung,** are you really going to sit there and claim that a book with the subtitle of “The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill & Hillary Clinton” actually _doesn’t_ have a spin?

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**Author:** ![Publius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c57346/32.png) [@Publius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Publius)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/73 "2003-07-22T03:25:05Z")

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In general, anything that detracts from the freedom of the voters, safeguarding the freedom of a certain subset of those voters, is A Bad Thing.

Would human rights be harmed if the President were foreign-born or under 35? Would anyone be disenfranchised? Would basic republican ideals be at risk? I can’t see how. These rules exist not to safeguard the inalienable rights of any minority, but to prevent the rabble from voting for a candidate that certain bygone political elites did not deem fit to be President.

In a more egalitarian age, these rules are simply unnecessary limitations on the sovereign power of the electorate. The electorate should support attempts to change the rules.

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**Author:** ![Publius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c57346/32.png) [@Publius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Publius)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/74 "2003-07-22T03:27:11Z")

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Somehow\* I posted in the wrong thread. Terribly sorry, mods.

\*Possibly due to my sheer idiocy

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**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/75 "2003-07-22T08:02:09Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Satisfying Andy Licious \*  
> Hokay, **rjung,** are you really going to sit there and claim that a book with the subtitle of “The Ten-Year Campaign to Destroy Bill & Hillary Clinton” actually _doesn’t_ have a spin?

Not if the President-destroying campaign _exists._

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**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/76 "2003-07-22T09:27:39Z")

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I had to look up ‘tu quoque’ so I could run with you smart folk. I reckon it means ‘you did it too’ or ‘two wrongs make a right’ Fine.

It would be ‘touchingly naive’ to assume the Executive Branch didn’t have staffers digging up dirt on political foes. I brought up the infamous **Faux** News _Burnin & Lootin’_ of the White House by departing Clintonites to show how low the NeoCon’s set the bar at the start. SAL, I asked before, “did Ari ever disabuse you of that notion?”

Let’s talk about WH staffers committing treason, shall we?

[Article from Newsday](http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscia0722,0,2346857.story?coll=ny-top-headlines)

By Timothy M. Phelps and Knut Royce  
Washington Bureau

July 21, 2003, 9:48 PM EDT

Washington – The identity of an undercover CIA officer whose husband started the Iraq uranium intelligence controversy has been publicly revealed by a conservative Washington columnist citing “two senior administration officials.”

**Intelligence officials confirmed to Newsday Monday that Valerie Plame, wife of retired Ambassador Joseph Wilson, works at the agency on weapons of mass destruction issues in an undercover capacity – at least she was undercover until last week when she was named by columnist Robert Novak.**

Wilson, while refusing to confirm his wife’s employment, said the release to the press of her relationship to him and even her maiden name was an attempt to intimidate others like him from talking about Bush administration intelligence failures.

**"It’s a shot across the bow to these people, that if you talk we’ll take your family and drag them through the mud as well," he said in an interview.**  
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_emphasis mine_

Hmm. Revealing an intelligence agent (Wilson’s wife). And during wartime. That’s quite a lot more than suggesting ABC’s reporter is a faggot canuck! Is that Treason?

(Wilson is supposed to be on “Today Show” later this morning)

That said, SAL, I must say I like the cut of your jib. The “Don’t stop thinking about tomorrow” quip was LOL priceless. 🙂

Now go and eat the dishes, candyman :b

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**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/77 "2003-07-22T11:07:29Z")

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> **samclem** : …Smacks of Donald Segretti and the Dirty Tricks under Nixon.

I thought of Nixon’s “Enemies List” immediately. I understand why some of you who value personal integrity have a hard time conceiving of the office of any Presidency being so vicious. But when you have watched it unfold once, it is easier to believe when it happens again.

I took a look again at Nixon’s list. Included were many respected reporters, newspapers and broadcasters. (There were lots of other enemies too, including celebrities. Three that always make me shake my head are Paul Newman, Bill Cosby and Leonard Berstein.)

Here are some of the comments and memos from that list. They show how deliberate they were in seeking to destroy those who disagreed with them:

#8 on the list: Morton Halperin, leading executive at Common Cause: \*\*A scandal would be most helpful here. \*\*(A consultant for Common Cause in February-March 1971)[On staff of Brookings Institution]

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> Colson memo to John Dean:  
> I have received a well-informed tip that there are income tax discrepancies involving the returns of Harold J. Gibbons, a vice president of the teamsters union in St. Louis. This has come to me on very, very good authority.  
> Gibbons, you should know, is an all out enemy, a McGovernite, ardently anti-Nixon. He is one of the three labor leaders who were recently invited to Hanoi.  
> Please tell me if this one can be started on at once and if there is an informer’s fee, let me know. There is a good cause at which it can be donated.

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> Memo from John Dean to Halderman assistant – entitled “Dealing with our political enemies.”  
> This memorandum addresses the matter of how we can maximize the fact of our incumbency in dealing with persons known to be active in their opposition to our Administration, Stated a bit more bluntly– **how we can use the available federal machinery to screw our political enemies.**  
> –Key members of the staff (e.g., Colson, Dent, Flanigan, Buchanan) could be requested to inform us as to who they feel **we should be giving a hard time.**  
> –The project coordinator should then determine what sorts of dealings these individuals have with the Federal Government and **how we can best screw them (e.g., grant availability, federal contracts, litigation prosecution, etc.)**

For more details: [http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~polisci/calvert/PolSci3103/watergate/enemy.htm](http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~polisci/calvert/PolSci3103/watergate/enemy.htm)

The above information was disclosed during the televised Watergate hearings.

BTW, the Buchanan referred to was Pat Buchanan.

I am not saying that Bush has an enemies list – just that it does happen and it wouldn’t surprise me. Look how he treated a member of his own party who ran against him – John McCain.

If any of you have sources indicating a similar level of maliciousness and abuse of power, I would be interested in reading them. But Nixon set the standard pretty high.

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**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/78 "2003-07-22T12:20:53Z")

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\*\*Satisfying Andy Licious \*\*, perhaps you’d like to open a thread about the evils of the Clinton Administration? It might be a good idea, as they have nothing whatsoever to do with the issue we have been discussing.

I say again, what the Clinton administration did _does not excuse_ what this administration is doing. Just as bringing up what Bush did will not excuse what the next Democrat elected to the Presidency will do.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/79 "2003-07-22T12:36:03Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Satisfying Andy Licious \*  
> Fox News wasn’t on the air in 1993.

But they were in 2001, when they were breathlessly reporting the historically-unique depravity of Clinton even after he was gone. “Fair and balanced”? You didn’t get the point at all. Read again, more slowly and without moving your lips if you can.

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> Then cite a source that someone besides far-left whackos would trust. Honestly, posting a citation from FAIR is a formal declaration that you don’t have to be taken seriously.

Can you point out any fact, any at all, that they’ve gotten wrong? Anything relevant they’re overlooking? No? Then reassess your position. Denouncing anything you don’t like as “whacko” does not help you convince anyone but yourself, ya know.

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> I, myself, have cited the Washington Post and CNN. Both are seen in some circles as being Clinton-friendly.

So you want a friggin’ medal for that?

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> The report was from the GAO, not GSA. But thanks for making an ass out of you _and_ your source. \*\*

Nope, you didn’t even read the link before denouncing both it and someone with the temerity to present it to you. Although the GAO was involved, the report was from the GSA, as stated.

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> Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

- Dean Wormer

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**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\
**Post date:** [July 22, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-house-outs-abc-news-reporter-as-gay-and-canadian/189463/80 "2003-07-22T23:19:11Z")

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Wait a second… gay Canadian?

Aren’t all Canadians gay?

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