More post to try to make my point, and it’s a suggestion: from now on, when the study is quoted and/or spoken of directly, you can no longer just use the term “liberal”. You have to qualify it according to the self-identified liberals in the study. So, you would say, “liberals who self identify as extremely liberal are shown in the study to…”, or “liberals who self identify as only moderately liberal are shown in the study to…”, etc. Because again, liberals are not monolithic in their thinking, so it makes no sense to use a single term that suggests they are.
Did you read the study?
No, it fits just fine here, thanks.
Simple logic, if liberals are the bogeyman here, it follows that the effort here is to aggrandize conservatives that do not follow Trump *. An attempt to aggrandize with a very, very weak tea argument.
- Unfortunately those conservatives that do not follow or defend Trump nowadays are doing the way of the Dodo bird.
It was a good criticism.
I agree that they are as well, nonetheless they exist. And even when they don’t like Trump it is too often for the wrong reasons.
Ok are “liberals who self-identify as extremely liberal” a monolithic group? No. We may as well go ahead and say the individuals in the study who exhibited the behavior are the only individuals that I can heap scorn upon. That’s fine. Some liberals expressed in this thread that they don’t engage in this behavior. I understand individualism well enough.
Can’t quote WillFarnaby who sez:
“…one possible reason white liberals endorse policies to elevate certain minorities based skin color is because they believe the minorities are not as competent as their white competitors.”
No, this is flat out wrong. Lots of people, not just liberals, are able to see that “certain minorities” have been fucked by the U.S. for many decades and generations, and therefore lack the opportunities afforded to those who have not been fucked.
So is this why some white liberals view them as less competent?
Reread bold.
I believe it is you who are wrong, bobot.
I guess you are playing coy about where anyone said anything like that since you didn’t quote such a post. Very mysterious.
Or just “some white liberals”. Has a better ring to it.
It was a good generalization.
At least that would be narrowing down exactly who is being discussed. A good start, anyway.
But to restate my earlier point: we don’t even know what the study “believes” a liberal is. Other than what the participants say they are.
Without knowing that, we can’t relate it to anyone/anything.
Seriously?
Dude, you’re the one who can’t figure out why the Negroes keep voting for kinda-racist white liberals rather than libertarian conservatives.
I’m perfectly willing to accept that white liberals who swear they aren’t racist are still kind of racist. This is a pretty unremarkable assertion.
So now you’ve got a white liberal politician who has some kinda racist attitudes buzzing around. Why exactly does this racist guy get 90% of the black vote, compared to the white conservative politician?
Thing is, there are graduations of racism. I know that conservatives imagine that liberals believe racism is like a switch, and if you’re racist then you’re irredeemably evil, and even one racist idea makes you racist, and so the patronizing white liberal is no different than David Duke. Except since we see that black people are willing to vote in overwhelming numbers for a patronizing white liberal over a conservative who thinks the wrong side won the Civil War, that turns out not to be the case.
As noted, the point I made about this argument of yours to be a very sad one stands, not only for you doing the unscientific move of assuming that one study * will be enough to allow conservatives that are not for Trump* to get into their high horse.
*(a study that was not peer reviewed yet or confirmed with others or that was able to withstood criticism from others.)
** (And because they are so few of those beings it makes the already weak argument you are pushing here even more weak)
Only liberals do that? I don’t think so.
Personally I dumb down whenever I speak with Trump supporters or anyone from Mississippi regardless of color.
I never devoted much thought to it. I imagine it’s more complicated than that, though. There are many potential deciding factors in a voting decision.
Good nuance.
I notice that some liberals do tend to throw around racism claims like they negate the individual’s entire worldview. In this case I think the racism of some white liberals negate their insistence on race-based economic policy only. Some believe blacks are less competent so they think they need special state assistance. The belief is based on racist misunderstanding, so special state assistance should be abandoned.
Never said anything like the argument you are attributing to me. Thanks for your contribution, though it seems you are tapped out.
Probably because white liberals realize that in many (if not most cases) “individual-empowering language” and “individual-empowering policies” are just a bullshit con to destroy the collective bargaining power of the group. “Agency” is a lie (a damnable one) unless people have the power not to lose their job opportunities, their jobs, livelihoods, etc., when they exercise that agency in a manner their boss or supervisor doesn’t like.
You are not even wrong. For starters you ignore what I pointed out that I was dealing with your lack of logic here.
Even here, you are ignoring that I refer to any argument made by you alleging to be based in the study you point at, whatever argument it was, as unscientific. Again, any argument or solution proposed on one study is “solving” problems very, very early; or is a reckless one until more reviews are available or more research is done.