# White Lotus **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, hbomax-wb-dc\ **Created:** [December 2, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900 "2022-12-02T02:35:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/41 "2022-12-07T17:34:01Z")
My take up to this point: The group at the villa is going to kill Tanya, or try. Perhaps the pre-nup has a clause that says if she cheats it’s null, or that he gets paid out if she dies without foul play. So they olan to take her out on the yacht and throw her in the ocean or something like that. I agree that Greg has been playing a long con on her since season 1. Jealousy is going to tear up the foursome with Aubrey plaza. She’s now actively making her husband jealous, and he looks like he’s going to snap. Lucia is probably scamming Albie, but there’s a possibility that she’s not, and the ‘boyfriend’ is either a real boyfriend and doesn’t know she’s an escort, or he is her pimp and is really threatening her. As for who dies at the end, we know it’s at least two people and they get dragged from the water. So my first guess is that Harper and the gang will go boating, and a knock-down fight will happen on the boat and cause it to capsize or something like that, and some/all of them will be drowned. They’ve been foreshadowing this throughout the series with ominous long swims in the ocean, reckless jet skiing, and characters becoming increasingly paranoid and unhappy with each other. Second guess is that Lucia’s boyfriend/Pimp will show up and Albie will think Lucia is under threat and attack him, and someone gets killed. Third is that Quentin tries to kill Tanya on his yacht and several peoole wind up going overboard. One thing they’ve done really well is to maintain a sense of impending risk and danger over all the main groups so you can’t predict which ones will be the victims. You can make plausible cases for any of them. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/42 "2022-12-07T17:38:41Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Just heard a snippet of an interview with the actress who plays Valentina. She says the finale is “really going to shock” people. Maybe Lucia is going to kill Alessio. Or Theo. Or Albie! ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/43 "2022-12-07T17:41:51Z")
Heh, maybe Tanya kills Quentin _and_ Greg! ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/44 "2022-12-07T17:42:36Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > As for who dies at the end, we know it’s at least two people and they get dragged from the water. So my first guess is that Harper and the gang will go boating, and a knock-down fight will happen on the boat and cause it to capsize or something like that, and some/all of them will be drowned. Except Daphne is on the beach in the beginning talking to people who just arrived. She is calm and happy and says that she had a great vacation. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/45 "2022-12-07T17:44:28Z")
More likely Ethan and Cameron play chicken with the jetskis again and Ethan doesn’t turn away at the last minute. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/46 "2022-12-07T17:45:50Z")
I don’t think Daphne is going to be lying happy on the beach if anyone in her party (Cameron, Ethan or Harper) died the previous week. So I doubt it’s any of them. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/47 "2022-12-07T17:47:05Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I don’t think Daphne is going to be lying happy on the beach if anyone in her party (Cameron, Ethan or Harper) died the previous week She might not know about it yet. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/48 "2022-12-07T17:55:50Z")
Nobody is going to die until the last day of the vacation. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/49 "2022-12-07T18:06:59Z")
I think that’s a given. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/50 "2022-12-07T18:44:59Z")
That’s a reply to @Dewey_Finn . Nobody died during the “previous week.” ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/51 "2022-12-07T19:02:54Z")
It could be Jack who died. He’s clearly being exploited by these older men, he’s by far the lowest on the rungs of the social ladder of any of the characters and the show creators seem to want to highlight class conflict and the multiple layers of exploitation all the way down the socioeconomic hierarchy. Seems like he’s the logical “fall guy” for the older/wealthier men to set up and potentially expose to risk. He also seems to be using heavy drinking as a coping mechanism for this arrangement he’s found himself in, and he could overdo it. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/52 "2022-12-07T19:40:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > She might not know about it yet. She doesn’t know about it yet. The bodies were discovered right after that conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/53 "2022-12-07T19:48:35Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > That’s a reply to @Dewey_Finn . Nobody died during the “previous week.” I’ll have to watch the first episode again. I got the impression that Daphne was on her second week there, that she had extended her vacation. (And, BTW, wasn’t there another woman next to her? Who was that?) ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/54 "2022-12-07T19:57:26Z")
Nah, she was on her last day. The two women had just arrived that day. Not a part of “our” people. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/55 "2022-12-07T19:58:31Z")
Thanks. BTW, as I remember that brief scene, the hotel staff member mentions bodies (plural) being found. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/56 "2022-12-07T19:59:22Z")
Yeppers! ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/57 "2022-12-07T23:23:09Z")
I feel like I should add that I don’t think this season is remotely as good as the first. The first season had a menagerie of truly interesting and memorable characters, tangled in a compelling tale of intrigue with a lot of “dramatic relief” interspersed with the cringey comedic hijinks. Also, the White Lotus resort was itself a character of sorts, with an effective sense of world-building. This season honestly feels like a mere pastiche of movies like _Sideways_ and _Roger Dodger,_ based on well-worn tropes about infidelity and midlife crises, with Jennifer Coolidge’s character awkwardly shoehorned in. Not terribly impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/58 "2022-12-07T23:39:04Z")
BTW, anyone remember a brief scene in which Harper and Daphne were in town for shopping or something. Daphne had to go to the ATM, so Harper was alone in the town plaza and she suddenly became aware that she was being stared at by a bunch of local guys. I’m male but even I found it uncomfortable. (Apparently, based on something I read, the scene was a sort-of recreation of one from L’Avventura, a film by Michelangelo Antonioni and starring Monica Vitti.) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/59 "2022-12-07T23:58:55Z")
Yeah, I thought they were makig a comment on Italian men, which I thought was kind of stereotypical. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900/60 "2022-12-08T00:24:06Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > (Apparently, based on something I read, the scene was a sort-of recreation of one from L’Avventura, a film by Michelangelo Antonioni and starring Monica Vitti.) Yes, it was physically the same as the scene in _L’Avventura_ (1960) and shot in the same place. However, in the WL scene we don’t get to hear what the men are saying, as you do in the movie. If they were stereotyping Italian men, then, so was Antonioni. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-lotus/975900.md?page=4)