# White Nationalism Crawls Out of the Shadows into the Spotlight **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503 "2016-11-20T03:34:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/81 "2016-11-21T18:17:00Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You don’t get it, but I didn’t expect that anyone would. > > Again, the political left in America can keep talking to “centrists” and “conservatives” this way – and they can keep getting their asses kicked in election after election. > > Conservatives control the White House. > > They control the Senate. > > The control the House. > > They’re about to control the judiciary. > > They control the state legislatures --33 out of 50. One short of what is required to rewrite the entire fucking Constitution. So the “solution” in your mind is for these awful trans people to bow their heads and stop looking at you so meanly. Perhaps they should just remain out of sight entirely, so they don’t make the right wing bigots uncomfortable? That will help win elections, right? And now that the right controls everything, those horrible people who make you uncomfortable with their very existence will no longer be allowed to change their countenance in your presence. In fact, they will not be allowed to exist in the brave new world to come. Time for you to celebrate! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/82 "2016-11-21T18:55:22Z")
\*\*White Nationalism Crawls Out of the Shadows into the Spotlight \*\* [Here’s a good article](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/heil-victory-racist-alt-right-salutes-donald-trump/article32955032/)about the recent (Saturday) meeting of the alt-right, and "Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement " Some prime quotes; Not so much dog whistles as “dog trumpets”. Oh, but we’re assured that we have nothing to worry about with these people. Nothing at all. > [@](#): > > “We’ve crossed the Rubicon in terms of recognition,” Spencer said at the conference, which was sponsored by his organization, the National Policy Institute. > [@](#): > > Spencer’s after-dinner speech began with a polemic against the “mainstream media,” before he briefly paused. “Perhaps we should refer to them in the original German?” he said. > > The audience immediately screamed back, “Lugenpresse,” reviving a Nazi-era word that means “lying press.” > [@](#): > > Trump’s election, Spencer said, was “the victory of will,” a phrase that echoed the title of the most famous Nazi-era propaganda film. > [@](#): > > “America was, until this last generation, a white country designed for ourselves and our posterity,” Spencer thundered. “It is our creation, it is our inheritance and it belongs to us.” > [@](#): > > As he finished, several audience members had their arm outstretched in a Nazi salute. When Spencer, or perhaps another person standing near him at the front of the room – it was not clear whom – shouted, “Heil the People! Heil Victory,” the room shouted it back. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/83 "2016-11-21T22:08:39Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > My ideal moment is everyone being brave enough to rise up against the oppressive machine and smash it to bits. My ideal moment is not everyone walking around feeling virtuous because they are wearing a pin. Again, not mutually exclusive. They can do both. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > ThelmaLou: > > I’d like to have a conversation about what “sentimental” means. > > It means you don’t have to give me a shiny ring to show you love me. I would much prefer you show your love by exhibiting loving behaviors. It means that, but is not limited to that. I want you to show your love with loving behaviors, AND I want the shiny ring, too. 🙂 Just curious: are you an engineer by profession? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/84 "2016-11-21T22:49:03Z")
> [@toocrazy2yoo](#): > > Never saw such a butt-hurt collection of Liberals, at least, that weren’t out on the streets doing violence on the streets in Liberal cities. Gee, go to a Conservative City and try that game out. Easy to riot in a city that celebrates your destruction. Try that act where they don’t celebrate Liberal violence and depravity. Well, like the Muslim Patriarchy, feminists don’t like to riot where their targets will fight back. Although, I think feminists like the idea of being taken over by a Muslim (and darker) patriarchal rape culture… I realize you’re relatively new here, but I’m still giving you a warning for this post. Here at the SDMB, we pride ourselves on civility. On not being like so many other parts of the Internet where hate and offensiveness seem to not only exist, but are pursued as some sort of horrible, hate-filled art form. To prevent such, we have rules against insults and inflammatory posting except in the BBQ Pit. Please avoid such in the future. We, and you, will be better off for it. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/85 "2016-11-21T23:01:04Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > \*\*White Nationalism Crawls Out of the Shadows into the Spotlight \*\* > > [Here’s a good article](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/heil-victory-racist-alt-right-salutes-donald-trump/article32955032/)about the recent (Saturday) meeting of the alt-right, and "Richard B. Spencer, the leading ideologue of the alt-right movement " > > Some prime quotes; Not so much dog whistles as “dog trumpets”. Oh, but we’re assured that we have nothing to worry about with these people. Nothing at all. [Another article](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/) with video. That is some crazy, scary shit right there. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/86 "2016-11-21T23:05:51Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Yes sir, leaping triumphantly it is. > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Wow. Did you leave your hood in your car or something? It took me a minute to read through the thread all way and I realize JC already addressed **toocrazy2yoo’s** post, but I want to also address these. These are not okay. These accusations while flip are still personal insults and not allowed in this forum. If you feel you must, the BBQ Pit is right around the corner. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/87 "2016-11-21T23:06:35Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > [Another article](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/) with video. That is some crazy, scary shit right there. “Don’t panic” “You’re overreacting” “Bunch of Liberal wimps, we won, suck it up” “These are not True Trump Supporters” (nor Scotsmen for that matter) “Nothing to worry about” “They’re just whacky and harmless” There. Feel better everyone? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/88 "2016-11-22T04:00:28Z")
Conservative cities? Where are these things? Have you looked out doors lately? Is it like Deadwood, Abilene, Dodge City or something? They’re kind of changed now. Paved streets, electricity, indoor plumbing, the works. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/89 "2016-11-22T05:01:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I know when someone is being a patently offensive turd and when someone is otherwise speaking about a potentially sensitive issue in matter-of-fact terms. Your story seem to argue pretty strongly for the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/90 "2016-11-22T10:11:55Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > [Another article](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/) with video. That is some crazy, scary shit right there. Indeed. Not to minimize that there’s trouble right here in River City, however, but 200 people is not exactly a Nuremburg rally. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/91 "2016-11-22T13:06:31Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Indeed. Not to minimize that there’s trouble right here in River City, however, but 200 people is not exactly a Nuremburg rally. Yet. The\* Washington Post\* article I read first did not see this meeting as the beginning of a Nazi takeover. Certainly, the movement has been energized by Trump’s ugly campaign & by his victory. There was concern about what these guys might _do_ if Trump disappoints them. The coalminers realizing the mines will not be opening up again might switch their votes, next time. A few of the White Nationalists might get violent. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/92 "2016-11-22T13:19:15Z")
Can someone help me find all those pre-election speeches, from those who now say that those aren’t the REAL Trump followers, telling the haters not to support Trump or vote for him? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/93 "2016-11-22T15:52:50Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > There was concern about what these guys might _do_ if Trump disappoints them. I think we should be more concerned about what these guys might do if Trump doesn’t disappoint them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/94 "2016-11-23T14:38:35Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Actually they won’t. As you say most Trump voters are not white nationalists nor would they support a white nationalist agenda and for that matter neither would Trump. Certainly he has radical ideas but they are very far removed from the goals of the KKK, etc. > > Yes, the extremists are coming out of the shadows (although they’ve never made much effort to hide themselves) and they will be applauding many of Trump’s actions in government but they’re going to be sadly disappointed if they believe that Trump is a rabid Nazi under the skin. He isn’t. No, he’s much more akin to a Marge Schott, where he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, lived in a time where bigotry was accepted, and thinks he’s better than _everyone_ else. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2016, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503/95 "2016-11-24T06:57:37Z")
You know that scene in _Casablanca_, where Major Strasser calls out Capt. Renault for calling him a mucky-muck with the _Third_ Reich? _You say that as though you expect there to be a Fourth Reich."_ I’m reminded of that when people talk about the perils we can expect as a result of the rise “White Nationalism.” Especially after I read an article about Steve Bannon, in which he said “I’m not a White Nationalist. I’m a Nationalist.” NATIONALISM IS THE PROBLEM, NOT SPECIFICALLY WHITE NATIONALISM! Yeesh, it’s like focusing on “short-fingered,” and overlooking “vulgarian.” (That said, I do get that most of the triumphalists seem to be beating a “White” tattoo on their drums…) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-crawls-out-of-the-shadows-into-the-spotlight/772503.md?page=4)