# White Nationalism, Part II **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 23, 2002, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522 "2002-10-23T14:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/241 "2002-10-27T18:04:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sparc \* > \*\*Would you then want the White Supremacist Tour, or the Leftist Afluent Suburbs Tour, or the combo package? If desired we can also arrange the Reality Tour, though it might be a little hard to digest if you take it while wearing that bomber and those DMs. > > That reminds me of an anecdote from my year with the skinheads. I actually tried the image package for a week. Shaved the hair off. Borrowed a bomber, a pair of jeans with suspenders and the DMs (well I had the DMs already) - lo and behold I have never been that badly treated by ‘blacks’ and ‘browns’ - and for that matter lots of ‘white leftists’… strange, isn’t it? I almost cancelled my submersion experiment after a few days, but in the end I persevered the whole week. I’ll tell you that it was a relief the day I got out of that stuff and went back to my ‘normal’ style - albeit with very short hair. I later reversed the experiment with a couple of skins that I managed to convince to play along; it changed their views quite a bit. > > Sparc \*\* I’ll skip the white supremist tour…I had enough of them In dallas. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/242 "2002-10-27T18:42:43Z")
[url =“[http://www.zmag.org/going\_south1.htm](http://www.zmag.org/going_south1.htm)”]For those who love the idea of racial segregation and believe everyone is better off with it… > [@](#): > > The whites in Latin America are white. The mongrolized mixed races of Spaniards + Indians are not. Good luck distinguishing whites from “mongrols”, especially in places like Brazil. In that country, race is attributed to phenotype, not genotype. It’s not uncommon to have several “races” represented in one family. So your American definition of race won’t be useful there. > [@](#): > > Are you referring to Andy Fastow? So his involvement in the scandal indicts a whole _race_ of people? By that logic, I could easily indict non-Jewish white people citing Kennith Lay. But that would be stupid, of course. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/243 "2002-10-27T18:44:27Z")
Fixed link: [For those who love the idea of racial segregation and believe everyone is better off with it…](http://www.zmag.org/going_south1.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Sionnach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Sionnach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sionnach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/244 "2002-10-27T18:49:38Z")
[Homicide trends in US](http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm) [More crime stats](http://www.naawp.com/fbi_statistics.htm) “Black males make up only about 6% of the US population, they commit over half of all violent crimes and over 43% of all rapes.” ---
**Author:** ![Sionnach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Sionnach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sionnach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/245 "2002-10-27T18:59:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Good luck distinguishing whites from “mongrols”, especially in places like Brazil. In that country, race is attributed to phenotype, not genotype. It’s not uncommon to have several “races” represented in one family. So your American definition of race won’t be useful there. This is not true. There are even WN’s from latin america. I’m not denying that it’s not uncommon to see many mixed-races, but there are people of total european ancestry in those countries. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/246 "2002-10-27T19:09:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sionnach \* > Decline in morality Care to elaborate? I know you can’t be bothered to explain most of your key terms, but what attributes of morality are you speaking of, and how do you measure that they are declining? > [@](#): > > and rise of a nihilistic culture. Nihilism? What the fuck are you talking about? Society’s embrace of non-ashheap values–e.g., inclusion, tolerance, not being an asshat–hardly translates into the rejection of all morality. Nihilism is a hell of a lot different than just having _your_ values rejected. ---
**Author:** ![Sionnach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Sionnach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sionnach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/247 "2002-10-27T19:16:19Z")
> [@](#): > > So his involvement in the scandal indicts a whole race of people? By that logic, I could easily indict non-Jewish white people citing Kennith Lay. But that would be stupid, of course. There are plenty of both Jews and gentiles in white-collar crime. Well, a lot of Jews considering that they only make up 2.5% of the population and are heavily represented in the top ranks of the corporate world, but what’s your point? When did I ever indict all Jews for Enron? Their political manipulation of the government to support their shitty little country and the actions of their lobbies and political organizations are annoying enough. Then there is their role in bringing organized crime to America (Arnold Rothstein) and the white slave trade in Israel… but so what? All these bad points are easily outweighed by the amazing benefits Jews have brought to the world, such as… umm… well I’ll think of something they’ve brought to the world to make up for the bad points, someday. I’m afraid I have to take off at the moment 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/248 "2002-10-27T19:36:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Their political manipulation of the government to support their shitty little country and the actions of their lobbies and political organizations are annoying enough. Then there is their role in bringing organized crime to America (Arnold Rothstein) and the white slave trade in Israel Is this “hate speech” yet? “Jews are responsible for the US support of Israel” is one thing–“Jews are responsible for organized crime in America and kidnapping women to force them into prostitution” is another, IMO. Not to mention the crude reference to Israel as “their shitty little country”. > [@](#): > > You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use the SDMB to post any material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, invasive of a person’s privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. IMO, it’s definitely “hateful”, without a doubt “defamatory”, unquestionably “inaccurate”, and… > [@](#): > > We have one basic rule: Don’t be a jerk. …um, yeah, IMO you are now a Jerk, as well as a racist. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/249 "2002-10-27T19:43:46Z")
> [@](#): > > There are even WN’s from latin america. Just proves there are stupid people in every bunch. > [@](#): > > I’m not denying that it’s not uncommon to see many mixed-races, but there are people of total european ancestry in those countries. So what you’re saying is that only pale-skinned Mexicans should immigrate, not all the brown-skinned ones. Even though a white Mexican has just as much in common with a white American than a white American has with a white Russian or a white Greek. Even though a white Mexican and a brown Mexican could very well be blood brothers. Gotcha. If your beef is with immigration, shouldn’t you be against ALL immigrants? I mean, when I go to the grocery store I see many a-Russian immigrant swiping their food stamp card through the register. All the signs in my apartment building are written in Russian and English so that people don’t accident smear the wet paint or throw recyclables into the wrong bin. Do Russian immigrants have more right to welfare than other immigrants? Is it alright for them to speak their language just because it’s European? Are Russian immigrants more deserving of this continent than Mexicans, who have a heritage that has been here for hundreds of years? Please answer these questions for me because I honestly want to see how a wackjob ticks. (And when did Russia become “Western”? Is Mongolia “Western” too? Or does the West end when skin begins to darken? Seems like a strange way to delineate a civilization, doesn’t it?) ---
**Author:** ![Sionnach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Sionnach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sionnach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/250 "2002-10-27T19:47:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Nihilism? What the fuck are you talking about? Society’s embrace of non-ashheap values–e.g., inclusion, tolerance, not being an asshat–hardly translates into the rejection of all morality. Nihilism is a hell of a lot different than just having your values rejected. LoL… so everyone should tolerate 6% of the population committing over half of all violent crimes and 43% of rapes? Is this [inclusion](http://www.indexonline.org/news/20021003_barbados.shtml)? Should we also tolerate and include FGM in our society? [Heavy Jewish role in American gangsterism is a myth?](http://organizedcrime.about.com/cs/jewishgangsters) [Israeli sex slavery a myth?](http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-37/reg/sex_slavery_thriving.htm) _“Israel is a popular destination for the human trade…”_ ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/251 "2002-10-27T19:54:22Z")
> [@](#): > > There are plenty of both Jews and gentiles in white-collar crime. You shouldn’t have gone there with the white collar crime… [White Collar Crime Facts](http://www.diogenesllc.com/whitecollarfraudstats.html) \*The typical perpetrator is a college-educated white male. Men commit nearly 75% of the offenses. \* Time to kick the college-educated white males out of the country. They are costing us $400 billion annually. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/252 "2002-10-27T19:56:55Z")
Answer the fucking question instead of spamming the board with your pre-packaged links. ---
**Author:** ![Sionnach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Sionnach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sionnach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/253 "2002-10-27T20:01:34Z")
> [@](#): > > If your beef is with immigration, shouldn’t you be against ALL immigrants? No. Not all immigrants are coming to leech off of a better society and not all immigrants harm cultural demographics. > [@](#): > > I mean, when I go to the grocery store I see many a-Russian immigrant swiping their food stamp card through the register. No newcomer in a country should be getting any taxpayer social programs at all. Russian and European immigrants came to America at a time where there was no huge welfare state to suck up on so they prospered on their own. > [@](#): > > All the signs in my apartment building are written in Russian and English so that people don’t accident smear the wet paint or throw recyclables into the wrong bin. Do Russian immigrants have more right to welfare than other immigrants? Where does this occur? Where are the non-assimilated Russian communities in America who can’t learn English? > [@](#): > > Is it alright for them to speak their language just because it’s European? Who said anything about “speaking a language” being wrong? What’s annoying is demanding that schoolteachers teach in two languages and government documents be printed out in multiple languages like what goes on in California. > [@](#): > > Are Russian immigrants more deserving of this continent than Mexicans, who have a heritage that has been here for hundreds of years? First off, Mexicans don’t have a heritage in the US for hundreds of years. The Mexicans pouring in have no ancestral claim. Second off, the immigrants of the past weren’t coming in to mooch off welfare and a big deal was made about assimilation, so they assimilated. Third, immigration in the US was historically done with respect to the demographics of the nation and followed by tight immigration restrictions. Nowadays, immigrants are pouring in non-stop, no matter who they are, and since we have a welfare state, many come to take advantage of social programs. Even the Somalis going to Maine, _many made their first stop at the welfare office and specifically chose that place because it had more social programs than others_. ---
**Author:** ![Sionnach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Sionnach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sionnach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/254 "2002-10-27T20:06:34Z")
> [@](#): > > The typical perpetrator is a college-educated white male. > > Men commit nearly 75% of the offenses. Let me guess. This organization includes “Jew” as white. I wouldn’t be surprised. The FBI commonly has called mexicans “white” in their statistics too. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/255 "2002-10-27T20:33:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Not all immigrants are coming to leech off of a better society and not all immigrants harm cultural demographics. Every group of immigrants you can name contains individuals who are here to better themselves as well their new country. I’d argue that most immigrants feel this way, but I have no proof to back up this claim. But why do you feel differently? Do you honestly feel like most immigrants are leechers? If you come to NYC, you’ll see this isn’t true. Immigrants here work damned hard, sometimes putting hours in sweat shops or sweat-shop-like environments just to call themselves “American”. Do you have stats that show most immigrants are unemployed and receiving welfare benefits? Where’s your empirical proof that most immigrants are leechers? > [@](#): > > Russian and European immigrants came to America at a time where there was no huge welfare state to suck up on so they prospered on their own. The only difference between the help received by immigrants of the past and of today is that the former received private help primarily, the former receive public help. But the fact remains that both groups have received help. All this bootstrap talk is nonsense. There’s a stereotype that Jamaicans are hard working, and we all know that Arabs and Indians own all of the Seven-Elevens. Koreans and Vietnamese own all all the Mom-n-Pops in inner city communities. I know when I think migrant worker or cleaning lady I think Mexican. All the house painters in my area are Russian or Central American. So where are you finding all of these loafing immigrants? Most welfare recepients are native-born whites. If whites are the superior race, why do they even need welfare? Is this the fault of the Jews too? > [@](#): > > What’s annoying is demanding that schoolteachers teach in two languages and government documents be printed out in multiple languages like what goes on in California. When I was in school (mid 80s), we had ESL teachers who helped non-English speakers with their classwork. The only language spoken by these teachers was English. Spanish kids, Russian kids, Chinese kids, Vietnamese kids…all of them used the services of the ESL program. It’s either have a program like this or these kids will do poorly in school. And then folks like you would conclude bad things from their poor performance. Which do you want? Kids excelling in school or kids doing poorly? Which would better promote assimilation? And what percentage of schools even have bilingual education? Do you have reasonable stats to justify your paranoia? And what harm is it to print out forms in multiple languages. If it expedites services and spreads important information efficiently, I don’t see why it’s such a threat to you. I don’t think Switzerland is crumbling to pieces because of its polyglot population. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/256 "2002-10-27T20:51:23Z")
Sionnach Unfortunately, you are continuing to compound the difficulties with your already tenuous position. By evading the three unresolved problems that I mentioned earlier (and will relist here), you have added one more. (1) The standards by which you judge are arbitrary, and therefore weak. You refuse to consider individual cases among Jews and conflate all Jews with irrational Zionists, and yet you object that you are a unique individual among White Nationalists and ought not to be conflated with skinheads and other misfits. In this, your hypocrisy seems no different than that of the liberals you decry because you, like they, demand for yourself special rights and privileges. (2) You insist that homosexuality is a genetic defect _because_ homosexual behavior deviates from the norm, and in fact believe that that is the nicest thing that can be said about gays. And yet, you yourself are not average in every way and therefore deviate from many norms yourself. You are unwilling to admit that your own deviancies are attributable to a genetic defect. Your only response is to offer a red herring about flaunting sexuality in front of children. You do not ask whether people ought to demonstrate heterosexual cunnilingus or fellatio to children; therefore, your disingenuousness on this issue can only be deliberate. (3) Having squatted on land that your ancestors stole from mine by treachery and tyranny, you now presume that you have a right to declare yourself its sole steward and decide who will and will not occupy land within arbitrary borders that you have drawn. You further would steal the assets of those whom you deem criminals by your arbitrary standards, and assault their person in order to force them to leave. Unless you are threatening an assault, people can simply ignore you. But I’m willing to bet that you would enforce your tyranny with weapons. Every government does. And now you’ve added another: (4) You do not understand White Nationalism. You are making claims that are not reflected in your FAQ; therefore, either you or the FAQ author does not understand White Nationalism. Nowhere in your FAQ is there any mention of evicting people, nuking Israel, or seizing assets. In fact, few of your political fantasies appear there. Incidentally, the statistic that you parroted, “Black males make up only about 6% of the US population, they commit over half of all violent crimes and over 43% of all rapes,” is a logical fallacy. Nearly the exact same [figures](http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Prison_System/Race_Prison_Poverty.html) correlate to poverty. A wealthy man, even a Black one like OJ Simpson, likely will not go to prison for his crimes. A poor man almost certainly will. Note that “people who are in prison” and “people who commit crimes” are not necessarily equivalent. ---
**Author:** ![Sionnach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Sionnach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sionnach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/257 "2002-10-27T20:52:59Z")
> [@](#): > > And what percentage of schools even have bilingual education? Do you have reasonable stats to justify your paranoia? I don’t know the percentage, but I know I was put into one of those classes when I was in school. It was total crap, so my parents finally demanded I get put into a better class so that my education didn’t suffer. > [@](#): > > And what harm is it to print out forms in multiple languages. If it expedites services and spreads important information efficiently, I don’t see why it’s such a threat to you. It all costs $$$$$$$$. [$$$$$](http://www.valleynewsonline.com/News/2000/1028/Viewpoints/141.html) “Criminal aliens account for over 25% of federal prison inmates and are the fastest growing segment of federal prison population…” > [@](#): > > Most welfare recepients are native-born whites. If whites are the superior race, why do they even need welfare? Is this the fault of the Jews too? The issue is not about superior races. Get off it. American jobs being displaced for immigrant jobs _might have something to do with the unemployment of native whites, doncha think?_ > [@](#): > > The only difference between the help received by immigrants of the past and of today is that the former received private help primarily, the former receive public help. But the fact remains that both groups have received help. All this bootstrap talk is nonsense. The difference between private help and public help is that _private help is less widespread and voluntary_, while public help is doled out whether we like it or not, and on wide scale. It’s simple. Wealthy nation + Government social programs + unchecked immigration = magnet for the mooches of the world and easy place for despotic governments of the world like Mexico to shuffle off their unwanted trash to. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/258 "2002-10-27T20:54:27Z")
originally posted by Sionnach: > [@](#): > > I’ve talked to a guy from Hawaii and he can’t stand all the anti-white discrimination and nepotism by the asians/filipinos. He also said that many of the non-whites treat whites very disrespectfully and get away with it. This guy wasn’t a WN, by the way. According to the arguments you’ve put forth throughout this thread and others, this anti-white discrimination should be perfectly acceptable. Afterall, this is a community of people looking after its own interests. You should sympathize with their response seeing how you’ve expressed similar dismay over the “flooding” of your community with foreigners. If the majority of Hawaiians agree that it is okay to discriminate against whites (and I’m not saying they do), why shouldn’t the will of the majority take precedence over the _whims_ of the minority? If the white folks don’t like it, they can go back to the mainland. > [@](#): > > What does any of this have to do with preserving western culture and nations? You’re still not explaining the root of your position. _How is western culture being destroyed?_ What aspects of this great and shining entity should be considered endangered? You’ve given short shrift to the one thing your platform hangs upon, and the longer you continue to wail about the destruction of something that is still left only vaguely defined, the more your credibility is drowned out by a noisy aura of paranoia. > [@](#): > > What does any of this have to do with the threat of non-white crime and extortion racket? Non-white crime? I’ve been trying my level best to give you the benefit of the doubt, honestly, but this right here is richer than rum cake. Why is “non-white crime” such a threat to you and not “white” crime? And perhaps this should have been asked first, but what in the hell is “white” crime anyways? In my world, all crime is bad because it threatens the well-being and the quality of life of society. It doesn’t matter if the man robbing me graduated cum laude from Yale and wears thousand-dollar worsted suits hand-stitched in Florence or if he is a high-school drop-out who has 6 half-sibling kids that he doesn’t give a penny to…if he’s taking money that doesn’t belong to him, _he’s a fucking criminal_. The Mr. Enrons of the world count on people like you to pardon and ignore their transgressions because they are not as “bad” as the crimes of the Mr. Non-White Lower-Class Thugs. You think they are on your team just because their skin is light and their hair is straight? How lucky of them to have such undeserving love and loyalty, when the only color they are devoted to is green. It’d be so interesting to see what your perception of “white” crime would be if you and your husband lived in Houston, Tx and suddenly found yourselves broke and jobless like thousands of people did earlier this year. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/259 "2002-10-27T21:26:59Z")
> [@](#): > > The difference between private help and public help is that private help is less widespread and voluntary, while public help is doled out whether we like it or not, and on wide scale. But it IS voluntary. If you don’t like paying taxes, LEAVE THE FREAKIN’ COUNTRY. It’s as simple as that. But this is neither here nor there because the same benefits granted to immigrants are the same benefits granted to US citizens. If you became poor, you would qualify for welfare too. No one is depriving you of anything. > [@](#): > > It all costs $$$$$$$$. Examine the [pork barrel projects](http://www.taxpayer.net/TCS/wastebasket/budget/3-16-01PORK.htm) going on in your state. Compare the total cost of those to the amount of money you think it would take to get vote ballots printed in more than one language. Which one is the most expensive? Which one deserves more outrage? And most importantly… How many of those projects were lobbied for by immigrant groups? You sound as if you believe your citizenship entitles you to special priviledges. You also sound as if you believe your ancestry entitles you to this country and to any other thing with European flare. Why shouldn’t someone conclude you’re a racist, delusional,self-entitled, spoiled, ingrateful _brat_? Please note that I’m not calling you this, because name-calling isn’t allowed here. But you definitely _sound_ like one. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2002, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/260 "2002-10-27T22:00:33Z")
> [@](#): > > _originally posted by Sionnach:_ > \*\*Then there is their role in bringing organized crime to America (Arnold Rothstein) and the white slave trade in Israel > > Heavy Jewish role in American gangsterism is a myth? [http://organizedcrime.about.com/cs/jewishgangsters](http://organizedcrime.about.com/cs/jewishgangsters) > > Israeli sex slavery a myth? [http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-37/reg/sex\_slavery\_thriving.htm](http://www.metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-37/reg/sex_slavery_thriving.htm) > > “Israel is a popular destination for the human trade…”\*\* Your first cite doesn’t show that Jews brought organized crime to America. All it shows is that there was Jewish organized crime in America. [Arnold Rothstein](http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/Rothstei.html) dates from the early part of the 1900s–but the white gangs were first. [Tammany Hall](http://www.pbs.org/wnet/newyork/laic/episode3/topic6/e3_t6_s1-tt.html) was around a lot earlier than that–and [Boss Tweed](http://www.polaris.edu/iltli/Tchrpgs/Tweed.htm) was white. [www.historychannel.com/exhibits/wildbunch/fivepoint\_main.html](http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/wildbunch/fivepoint_main.html) > [@](#): > > The Five Points is to organized crime what Plymouth Rock is to America. From the worst slum in New York City sprang a steady stream of Irish thugs, Jewish racketeers, and Italian hit men who would make organized crime a permanent part of the American scene. > > In the 1800s, the Irish potato famine drove millions of immigrants to America, where they settled in the worst part of New York City, the Five Points…With no money and few prospects, many Irishmen turned to a life of crime. The first gangs had colorful nicknames like the “The Forty Thieves,” “The Dead Rabbit Gang,” and the “Plug Uglies.” Corrupt politicians quickly learned that they could control blocks of voters—and elections—by buying gang support. Tammany Hall built its strength on the muscle of the Irish gangs. > > \< snip \> > > By the start of the twentieth century, Jewish organized crime took over the Five Points. The Jewish gangs hired themselves out as enforcers and bullied both labor unions and management during the labor unrest of the 1900s. > > The new influx of Italian families in the early 1900s bred what became the most dominant group in American crime. Paul Kelly, a.k.a. Paolo Antonio Vacarelli, formed a mixed ethnic gang called “The Five Pointers.” From this gang, and its farm team, “The Five Points Juniors,” came some of the most infamous names in American crime—Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky, and Bugsy Siegel. Read a history book sometime. The Jewish gangs and the Italian gangs took over from the Irish gangs. Your other cite is similarly pointless. It doesn’t prove anything at all, other than the fact that there are Jewish pimps and prostitutes in Israel. BFD–there are Ohioan pimps and prostitutes in Ohio. So what? [http://www.activedayton.com/ddn/local/daily/1023bristols.html](http://www.activedayton.com/ddn/local/daily/1023bristols.html) > [@](#): > > Strip club ex-manager gets six months > Man, 37, convicted of promoting prostitution > By Lawrence Budd > > LEBANON | A Warren County judge has sentenced the former manager of a Monroe strip club to six months in prison for promoting prostitution at the club. > > Common Pleas Judge P. Daniel Fedders on Tuesday also designated Randy E. Trimble, 37, of Middletown a sexual offender for sharing in profits from paid private encounters between the dancers and undercover agents at Bristol’s Showclub and Revue. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522.md?page=14)