# White Nationalism, Part II **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 23, 2002, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522 "2002-10-23T14:18:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Doberman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@Doberman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doberman)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2002, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/461 "2002-11-11T19:06:16Z")
> [@](#): > > The Universal declaration of Human Rights was drafted based on the American Declaration of Independence and various documents from the French revolution. They are a mixture of everything. “Freedom, liberty and equality” aren`t specific for an single country on the globe > [@](#): > > I’ll specifically point you to some of the sections in this document that makes inciting to act on, or acting on neo-Nazi, or racist dogma illegal. Why do you feel the need to wave with laws when someone doesn`t agree with you? > [@](#): > > do you or don’t you agree with those words? A simple yes or no will suffice. Yes > [@](#): > > Today, we understand quite much more about nature than he did They said the same during the Enlightment, every period have claimed to be more “sophisticated” and smart than the previous [ QUOTE]One must admire the willpower needed to so staunchly and willfully ignore the obvious. [/QUOTE] You would know > [@](#): > > but then I decided that was probably too deep for them So you have decided that. I would suggest you to contact the persons or organisation concerned if this question bother you that much, thats how it works (in the normal world). ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2002, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/462 "2002-11-11T21:04:27Z")
Doberman wrote: > [@](#): > > They said the same during the Enlightment, every period have claimed to be more “sophisticated” and smart than the previous What, you disagree with me? Do you assert that more was known about nature in the 18th century than today? ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2002, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/463 "2002-11-11T23:28:47Z")
> [@](#): > > ## quote: > > ## do you or don’t you agree with those words? A simple yes or no will suffice. > > Yes **Doberman** , now I’m calling you - well, your views anyway - hypocritical. How you can’t see that is beyond me anyway. For anyone who hasn’t visited [stormfront.org](http://stormfront.org), btw, it’s truly vomitacious. One of the posters features as his sig a picture of Josef Mengele. I swear I’m not making this up. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2002, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/464 "2002-11-13T00:23:41Z")
> [@](#): > > _doberman_ > > > [@](#): > > > > [me] > > > > The Universal declaration of Human Rights was drafted based on the American Declaration of Independence and various documents from the French revolution. > > They are a mixture of everything. Are you denying my claimn? Do you want me to back it up? Do you want cites? maybe I should not bother considering that it is most probable that I will be met wih another “I caaaaaaaaaant hear you” argument. > [@](#): > > “Freedom, liberty and equality” > aren`t specific for an single country on the globe Which is such an increadibly daft statement in light of that this would be the reason that they are called the _Universal_ Declaration of Human Rights, a concept that in all its simplicity seems rather hard for some people to wrap their mind around. As an aside I might point out that you probably meant “Liberty, Equality and Brotherhood” - if you were refering to France, as I suspect you were. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > [me] > > > > I’ll specifically point you to some of the sections in this document that makes inciting to act on, or acting on neo-Nazi, or racist dogma illegal. > > Why do you feel the need to wave with laws when someone doesn`t agree with you? I’m not waving the law at you. I asked you a question. I pointed out what the law says and asked you a simple and straightforward question in consequence. I’ll reiterate and rephrase: Since you seem to disagree with these laws, my only conclusion must be that you either admit that you are breaking the law, or that you hold “non-white races” for not being members of the same species. Which is it? I can’t say that I the continued replies impress me as being an increse in brightness, rather the reverse. Are we running out of arguments? Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2002, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/465 "2002-11-13T00:30:46Z")
> [@](#): > > _doberman_ > > > [@](#): > > > > [me] > > > > The Universal declaration of Human Rights was drafted based on the American Declaration of Independence and various documents from the French revolution. > > They are a mixture of everything. Are you denying my claimn? Do you want me to back it up? Do you want cites? maybe I should not bother considering that it is most probable that I will be met wih another “I caaaaaaaaaant hear you” argument. > [@](#): > > “Freedom, liberty and equality” > aren`t specific for an single country on the globe Which is such an increadibly daft statement in light of that this would be the reason that they are called the _Universal_ Declaration of Human Rights, a concept that in all its simplicity seems rather hard for some people to wrap their mind around. As an aside I might point out that you probably meant “Liberty, Equality and Brotherhood” - if you were refering to France, as I suspect you were. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > [me] > > > > I’ll specifically point you to some of the sections in this document that makes inciting to act on, or acting on neo-Nazi, or racist dogma illegal. > > Why do you feel the need to wave with laws when someone doesn`t agree with you? I’m not waving the law at you. I asked you a question. I pointed out what the law says and asked you a simple and straightforward question in consequence. I’ll reiterate and rephrase: Since you seem to disagree with these laws, my only conclusion must be that you either admit that you are breaking the law, or that you hold “non-white races” for not being members of the same species. Which is it? I can’t say that I the continued replies impress me as being an increse in brightness, rather the reverse. Are we running out of arguments? Sparc ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2002, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/466 "2002-11-13T13:31:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Doberman \* > \*\* > > It`s probably a VERY english translator. \*\* to an extent it would make sense to use the cross of St. George to represent English, as it is the flag of England. I’m not saying they are correct to use it, as common convention uses the Union Flag. (BTW, the Union Jack is only a union Jack when it is flying on a ship. other than that it is the Union flag.) Let me just add that Fascist Scum are nothing but cowards trying to hide their hate behind illogical arguements. AFA. ---
**Author:** ![Doberman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@Doberman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doberman)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2002, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/467 "2002-11-13T17:30:09Z")
> [@](#): > > What, you disagree with me? Do you assert that more was known about nature in the 18th century than today? I dont know, your reasoning are starting to resemble an lobotomized Teletubbie. I said :“every period have claimed to be more “sophisticated” and smart than the previous”, much of what we know today and hold as selfevident will probably be ridiculed in the future. And meta-physically i wont directly exclude the idea that they had an deeper understanding of the nature in the 18th century, these days we have moved further from an natural thinking and nature in itself. > [@](#): > > How you can’t see that is beyond me anyway. Well that`s because your prejudiced, you apparently believe that just because you`ve seen Mengele`s name on Stormfront everybody there praises him. I acknowledge there are diversity, that man are created equal but with physical/mental distinctions. Everybody should of course have the same opportunities in life and nobody should be discriminated against on racial basis. I also want these distinction to flourish and be nurtured in their own environment, if the egalitarian get their way everybody will eventually be a part of one, grey mass, and where are the diversity then? > [@](#): > > As an aside I might point out that you probably meant “Liberty, Equality and Brotherhood” - if you were refering to France, as I suspect you were. I was refeering to the general thinking in that era with liberal views in the Enlightened period. QUOTE]Since you seem to disagree with these laws, my only conclusion must be that you either admit that you are breaking the law, [/QUOTE] I`m not breaking any law by disagreeing with them. That`s how Bush is reasoning (your`e name wouldn`t be Powell or Rumsfeld by any chance?). The Universal declaration of human rights was an Western invention of Western thinkers , that other countries in other places of the world have ratified these are reasonable: they want to be a part of the “good guys-society”, they fear loss of trade agremeents and economical aid, and so forth. If they dont hold the line, America will be there to whip them back to their place, accept the values of the West or prepare for the worst. Well, Bush would have been proud of you and the other globalisationists Sparc, i`m not. > [@](#): > > I can’t say that I the continued replies impress me as being an increse in brightness, rather the reverse. Are we running out of arguments? Arguments for what? Universal declaration of human rights aren`t specific for any country, that is apparently so evident that you call it a daft argument. Anyway, anybody that do not agree with me will of course not be impressed (i dont have high thoughts of your argumentation either), so dont worry Sparc, i won`t loose my sleep over your judgement. But since you have decided you just want to disagree in general because of my political beliefs and argue just to keep an empty debate going i will seek more tolerant and less narrow-minded forums like Stormfornt from now on (thank`s pantom). And TwistofFate, Fascism is dead, nobody believes in an state-controlled cooperatism anymore (if your not refeering to the Communists?). Stormfront next! ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2002, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/468 "2002-11-14T05:26:07Z")
**Doberman** , it’s not that anybody praised him outright; it’s that no one says a word about the inclusion of that photo. Obviously it’s considered acceptable for this butcher to be portrayed over there. Then there’s the Muslim who’s posting there and using the argument that Muslims are good because after all some fought on the German side in WWII. No one argues that this is a bad thing; it’s taken for granted that this is a “pro” argument. Which goes to show what it’s all about over there; it’s pretty obvious why it’s called Stormfront and which thugs that’s an allusion to. Shall I mention the favorable cite of an alleged massacre of 17000 blacks in Libya? Oops, I already did. That one passed without comment over there too. No disagreement that it was a good thing. I think the word for all of the above is “evil”. Nice little four letter word that sums that place up. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2002, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/469 "2002-11-14T11:58:43Z")
Doberman wrote: > [@](#): > > I dont [sic] know, your reasoning are [sic] starting to resemble an [sic] lobotomized Teletubbie. I said :“every period have [sic] claimed to be more “sophisticated” and smart than the previous”, much of what we know today and hold as selfevident [sic] will probably be ridiculed in the future. And meta-physically [sic] i [sic] wont [sic] directly exclude the idea that they had an [sic] deeper understanding of the [sic] nature in the 18th century, these days we have moved further from an [sic] natural thinking and nature in [sic] itself. So the most intelligent and enlightened homo sapiens was Cro-Magnon? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2002, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/470 "2002-11-14T13:32:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Nice little four letter word that sums that place up. “scum” is another. I prefer “Fascist Hateful assholes”, but that has more than 4 letters. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2002, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522/471 "2002-11-16T00:42:02Z")
> [@](#): > > _Doberman_ > > […]globalisationists[…] This is the end, my very friend… the end… Doberman, I think that you might want to run that word through some dictionaries before you use it again. As for the rest of your argument; really? Whether or not you agree with said laws; you break he law! IMHO That is simple as it is, and I am still waiting for a rebuttal hat proves that you do not. Sparc [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-nationalism-part-ii/133522.md?page=23)