# White Privilage **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 9, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511 "2018-02-09T14:26:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/221 "2018-02-13T15:04:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Nasty? Maybe. It’s certainly not _nice_. Sadistic? No, I don’t think so. Taking pleasure from someone else’s pain and suffering is sadistic. That applies even if the other person is evil. > [@](#): > > The Munchkins weren’t sadists for singing “Ding! Dong! The Witch is Dead!” I think they were. I found it pretty damn creepy even as a child. > [@](#): > > Fair enough. Are you saying that gives you the right to decide the level of sickness of those other victims who don’t have your attitude? I say this as someone who would also be in a camp, since you seem to think that matters. The point is that YOU have no more right to say “people in this group X feel this way” than I do. You say “surely they would feel that way” and I say uh… no, not all of us do. > [@](#): > > Wait, are you _seriously_ suggesting _Adolf Hitler_ was a candidate for reform? Who else? Stalin? Pol Pot? Idi Amin? I don’t expect Joe Six-Pack down the street to reform, much less one of the big bads, but the possibility exists. I’d rather people reform, I just don’t expect it to happen. Nonetheless, I feel it it better to allow the opportunity rather than simply toss people on the trash heap. > [@](#): > > Some people _are_ “just” monsters, beyond the hope of reform. All we should do is cage them. And if they save us the trouble, well, I’m happy enough. I agree - some people are too broken to get better. Regardless, I want us to be better than them. I oppose the death penalty, even when self-imposed. > [@](#): > > Revenge is a natural human (actually,[pre-human](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge#In_animals)) impulse, and I think labelling it as “sick” is just sanctimony. There is a LOT of natural things and impulses we restrain for the sake of having a civilization. Squatting and shitting when you feel the urge regardless of where you are is perfectly natural, too, but indulging in that impulse is not done, we require that people go to a specific place and dispose of their waste responsibility in our society. It perfectly natural to feel rage and the impulse for revenge, but for the sake of living in a civilized society that must be restrained. Just as we restrain our impulses to kill other people who make us angry, or restrain our impulses to take their stuff. > [@](#): > > Yes, by all means, surpass your own animal instincts, that’s laudable - but allow not everyone else does, or even wants to. Civilization requires the suppression of “animal instincts” in order to exist. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/222 "2018-02-13T15:09:27Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > Having read her [New York Times essay](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/magazine/was-charlottesville-the-exception-or-the-rule.html) from September of last year and an earlier interview with her, I’m struggling with the idea that she used the broad brush in her speech that you’re describing in the OP. Much of what you claim she said is easily proven false, and such sweeping statements would serve very little purpose for her, I would think. > > Do you think there’s a transcript of this presentation available? Yeah, that was my take as well. I mean, if this were Trump giving a speech I could totally see him saying stuff that’s easily proven wrong with literally a 5 second Google search…it’s his standard operating mode, after all…but I’d like to see some supporting information showing that the speaker referenced in the OP is that stupid as well before committing to further debate. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/223 "2018-02-13T15:31:34Z")
Census QuickFact pages for: [SLC, UT](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/saltlakecitycityutah/PST040217) [Detroit, MI](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/detroitcitymichigan/PST045216) In case anyone wanted to see income, poverty rates, etc. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/224 "2018-02-13T15:35:36Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Setting aside race for a moment, imagine you are the police chief in a town. If you were to divide the town into quadrants, and found that the northeast quadrant had 70% of the crimes, while the southeast, southwest, and northwest quadrants all accounted for 10% each, would it be appropriate to task additional police officers with patrolling the northeast quadrant? Assuming your answer is “yes”, would your answer change if the northeast quadrant happened to be heavily black? Is that what you think that the police department does? They look at “crime stats”, (which are of course compiled by whom?), and then assign police to patrol proportional to the crimes? That’s not how it plays out. The nice neighborhoods still get police, usually more. There was a complaint last week that someone’s mailbox got dented, so a cop sat down at the end of the street for a week. While that cop is sitting there, he doesn’t pull over Devin in his BMW on his way to sell adderall to his friend Randy. The cop doesn’t harass the group of 8 white kids heading down to the park to play basketball. The cop doesn’t notice Geoff smoking a doobie behind his garage. The quadrant that the police have compiled stats on as having a “crime problem” is different. They know that there is crime here, so they are on the lookout. They see Jamaal drive by in his Delta 88, and they pull him over and find a dime bag in his car that he was bringing to his friend, he goes to jail for distribution. The cops see a gang of thugs wandering the streets, so they order them against the wall and lay their hands on them because they know that they must be hiding something, they don’t find anything, but the kids that were just on their way to play basketball have less reason to trust the police. They find a teenager experimenting with drugs, and they charge him with possession, ruining his chances of going to college, and limiting his employment in the future. The go to the “nice” quadrants to serve and protect, they go to the “bad” one in order to bust criminals. To use the marble analogy, you are looking through the bag, looking for cracked marbles. But these marbles are not cracked because they were made cracked, they were cracked due to rough handling. If you look through the bag, looking for cracked marbles, you are going to find more cracked marbles in the sample that you look more closely at, because you’re the one who is cracking them when you are roughly handling them looking for the cracked ones. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/225 "2018-02-13T15:36:45Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Yeah, that was my take as well. I mean, if this were Trump giving a speech I could totally see him saying stuff that’s easily proven wrong with literally a 5 second Google search…it’s his standard operating mode, after all…but I’d like to see some supporting information showing that the speaker referenced in the OP is that stupid as well before committing to further debate. Complete silence on the subject from the OP and those that jumped on his bandwagon. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/226 "2018-02-13T16:29:37Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Is that what you think that the police department does? They look at “crime stats”, (which are of course compiled by whom?), and then assign police to patrol proportional to the crimes? > > That’s not how it plays out. Actually, yes it is. > [@](#): > > Decisions regarding allocation are influenced by factors such as the number of calls for service, officer response time, geographic area [Cite](https://www.slideshare.net/KevHartnett/police-resource-allocation-and-deployment-power-point-2012-fdu). > [@](#): > > The nice neighborhoods still get police, usually more. Do you have a cite that, on average, police patrol low-crime neighborhoods more than they do high-crime neighborhoods? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![puddleglum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puddleglum/32/137_2.png) [@puddleglum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puddleglum)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/227 "2018-02-13T16:37:17Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Is that what you think that the police department does? They look at “crime stats”, (which are of course compiled by whom?), and then assign police to patrol proportional to the crimes? > > That’s not how it plays out. The nice neighborhoods still get police, usually more. There was a complaint last week that someone’s mailbox got dented, so a cop sat down at the end of the street for a week. While that cop is sitting there, he doesn’t pull over Devin in his BMW on his way to sell adderall to his friend Randy. The cop doesn’t harass the group of 8 white kids heading down to the park to play basketball. The cop doesn’t notice Geoff smoking a doobie behind his garage. > > The quadrant that the police have compiled stats on as having a “crime problem” is different. They know that there is crime here, so they are on the lookout. They see Jamaal drive by in his Delta 88, and they pull him over and find a dime bag in his car that he was bringing to his friend, he goes to jail for distribution. The cops see a gang of thugs wandering the streets, so they order them against the wall and lay their hands on them because they know that they must be hiding something, they don’t find anything, but the kids that were just on their way to play basketball have less reason to trust the police. They find a teenager experimenting with drugs, and they charge him with possession, ruining his chances of going to college, and limiting his employment in the future. > > The go to the “nice” quadrants to serve and protect, they go to the “bad” one in order to bust criminals. > > To use the marble analogy, you are looking through the bag, looking for cracked marbles. But these marbles are not cracked because they were made cracked, they were cracked due to rough handling. If you look through the bag, looking for cracked marbles, you are going to find more cracked marbles in the sample that you look more closely at, because you’re the one who is cracking them when you are roughly handling them looking for the cracked ones. This is not true. In NYC and most big cities they use COMPSTAT which is a program that analyzes crime patterns and assigns more police to the areas where there are more crimes. The computer is not aware of where black people or white people live, it assigns the police by crime rate. Even your example was true, it only explains arrests for marijuana usage. Do you think the same cops are reluctant to charge white kids for rape, arson, murder, robbery, drug dealing, etc. out of concern for their future employment? Since most crime victims share a race with their assailant, under your scenario tens of thousands of white people are being robbed, beaten, raped, and murdered and the police are just shrugging at it. Having the police actually try to arrest someone who victimized you must be black privilege, and explains why people are so reluctant to be in white neighborhoods after dark. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/228 "2018-02-13T16:42:40Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Is that what you think that the police department does? They look at “crime stats”, (which are of course compiled by whom?), and then assign police to patrol proportional to the crimes? > > That’s not how it plays out. The nice neighborhoods still get police, usually more. There was a complaint last week that someone’s mailbox got dented, so a cop sat down at the end of the street for a week. While that cop is sitting there, he doesn’t pull over Devin in his BMW on his way to sell adderall to his friend Randy. The cop doesn’t harass the group of 8 white kids heading down to the park to play basketball. The cop doesn’t notice Geoff smoking a doobie behind his garage. > > The quadrant that the police have compiled stats on as having a “crime problem” is different. They know that there is crime here, so they are on the lookout. They see Jamaal drive by in his Delta 88, and they pull him over and find a dime bag in his car that he was bringing to his friend, he goes to jail for distribution. The cops see a gang of thugs wandering the streets, so they order them against the wall and lay their hands on them because they know that they must be hiding something, they don’t find anything, but the kids that were just on their way to play basketball have less reason to trust the police. They find a teenager experimenting with drugs, and they charge him with possession, ruining his chances of going to college, and limiting his employment in the future. > > The go to the “nice” quadrants to serve and protect, they go to the “bad” one in order to bust criminals. > > To use the marble analogy, you are looking through the bag, looking for cracked marbles. But these marbles are not cracked because they were made cracked, they were cracked due to rough handling. If you look through the bag, looking for cracked marbles, you are going to find more cracked marbles in the sample that you look more closely at, because you’re the one who is cracking them when you are roughly handling them looking for the cracked ones. The idea that “nice” neighborhoods “get [more] police” is so unbelievably false that I question to what extent you have participated in American society. In nice neighborhoods, you can go months without seeing a cop. In bad neighborhoods, you often can’t go minutes without seeing one. Indeed, keen BLM types have realized that many black communities are occupied by a hostile police presence. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/229 "2018-02-13T16:58:28Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Actually, yes it is. [Cite](https://www.slideshare.net/KevHartnett/police-resource-allocation-and-deployment-power-point-2012-fdu).Do you have a cite that, on average, police patrol low-crime neighborhoods more than they do high-crime neighborhoods? > > Regards, > Shodan Your own cite > [@](#): > > The large percentage of Police Officer’s time is spent on a wide variety of citizen demands that are only peripherally related to law enforcement Calls for service studies show that less then half of all requests are crime related ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/230 "2018-02-13T17:11:00Z")
That’s nice. Do you have a cite that, on average, police patrol low-crime neighborhoods more than they do high-crime neighborhoods? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/231 "2018-02-13T17:15:51Z")
> [@puddleglum](#): > > This is not true. In NYC and most big cities they use COMPSTAT which is a program that analyzes crime patterns and assigns more police to the areas where there are more crimes. The computer is not aware of where black people or white people live, it assigns the police by crime rate. Where there are more reported crimes, you mean. And does that mean that When Dr. Campbell, living in his $1.5 million house, calls the police department because he thinks that someone may have scratched the paint on his curb isn’t going to get a very fast response? Do you think that when they show up at his house, there is much of a chance of him being mistreated, arrested, or even shot by the cops responding to his call? > [@](#): > > Even your example was true, it only explains arrests for marijuana usage. Do you think the same cops are reluctant to charge white kids for rape, arson, murder, robbery, drug dealing, etc. out of concern for their future employment? Yes. Not out of concern for their future employment, I don’t know how you got that from my post, I said nothing about the cop not arresting Devin and Geoff because he was concerned about their future employment, it is because they are not looking for those sorts of crimes when they are patrolling a “nice” neighborhood. If they did find Geoff smoking his doob, they’d probably have a talk with his parents, rather than having him call his parents from the precinct after he has been booked. Rape? Are you kidding about that? Yes, I do think that cops believe the white kid when he says he didn’t commit rape far more often than they believe the black kid that says he didn’t. Arson, robbery, and murder? Well, not if the police have evidence that it was someone from the nice neighborhood who did it, but they won’t have that evidence, as that is not where they are looking. And as far as drug dealing, absolutely, the kid from the nice neighborhood with wealthy parents is going to be let slide far more than the poor kid slinging dope on the corner. > [@](#): > > Since most crime victims share a race with their assailant, under your scenario tens of thousands of white people are being robbed, beaten, raped, and murdered and the police are just shrugging at it. Having the police actually try to arrest someone who victimized you must be black privilege, and explains why people are so reluctant to be in white neighborhoods after dark. That doesn’t even come close to addressing, much less responding to my post. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/232 "2018-02-13T17:17:44Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s nice. Do you have a cite that, on average, police patrol low-crime neighborhoods more than they do high-crime neighborhoods? > > Regards, > Shodan I believe that what was pointed out was that in the upper class mostly white neighborhoods they are there to protect, both the valuable property and the valuable people, whereas they patrol the lower class mostly Black neighborhoods looking for suspects. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/233 "2018-02-13T17:26:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I believe that what was pointed out was that in the upper class mostly white neighborhoods they are there to protect, both the valuable property and the valuable people, whereas they patrol the lower class mostly Black neighborhoods looking for suspects. That’s nice. Do you have a cite that, on average, police patrol low-crime neighborhoods more than they do high-crime neighborhoods? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/234 "2018-02-13T17:29:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s nice. Do you have a cite that, on average, police patrol low-crime neighborhoods more than they do high-crime neighborhoods? > > Regards, > Shodan Why should I provide a cite for something I didn’t say? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/235 "2018-02-13T17:32:27Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s nice. Do you have a cite that, on average, police patrol low-crime neighborhoods more than they do high-crime neighborhoods? > > Regards, > Shodan I don’t see why I should provide that, as it was not a claim that I made. I did say that the nice neighborhoods do get police, which I think should be uncontroversial, and I did say" usually more" in that when the citizens of those areas want those police to show up, they do show up. The people of those neighborhoods tell the police how they want their street patrolled, when they want cops to be passing by. They have exactly the police presence as they want to make them feel safe and secure. This si where your officers time is spent on things like: from your cite > [@](#): > > Patrol performs a wide array of tasks that are not associated with crime control: Medical Assistance Utility Problems Animal Complaints Cats in trees, (ever see a cat skeleton in a tree?) > 7.  A majority of patrol’s time is spent “on patrol” This creates a “visible presence” Somewhat deters crime Promotes an impression of safety to citizens Decentralizes units in a geographic area so response time is quicker The not so nice neighborhoods don’t get to tell the police where and when to patrol, or that they would rather you bring any misdemeanors their children are up to to them rather than unnecessarily putting them through the courts. And since you are so worried about violent crimes, and say that is why the police are distributed as they are, once again, from your cite > [@](#): > > 5th) The types of crime that terrorize citizens, mugging, robbery, burglary, rape, h omicide is rarely encountered by patrol units ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/236 "2018-02-13T18:54:27Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > That’s nice. Do you have a cite that, on average, police patrol low-crime neighborhoods more than they do high-crime neighborhoods? > > Regards, > Shodan …you asserted earlier in the thread “No, my argument is that black people are disproportionately criminal, and thus are disproportionately suspected.” That argument had nothing at all to do with how much “crime was in the neighbourhood” and everything to do with the “colour of their skin”. Do you stand by what you said earlier in the thread? So do you accept that innocent black people will be disproportionately suspected for no other reason but the colour of their skin? Do you accept that guilty white people will be disproportionately not suspected for no other reason but the colour of their skin? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/237 "2018-02-13T19:07:36Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I don’t know whether that “theory” is true or not, nor whether it accurately represents what **Czarcasm** was actually saying. > Let’s go with “not”, pending further clarification. … I didn’t think it was very complicated, but let me try to clarify. About 13% of Americans are black. Do those black Americans commit: A) less than 13% of street crime B) 13% of street crime C) more than 13% of street crime ? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/238 "2018-02-13T19:09:30Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you asserted earlier in the thread “No, my argument is that black people are disproportionately criminal, and thus are disproportionately suspected.” > > That argument had nothing at all to do with how much “crime was in the neighbourhood” and everything to do with the “colour of their skin”. This is incorrect. The argument has very much to do with how much crime is in a given neighborhood. > [@](#): > > Do you stand by what you said earlier in the thread? Yes, I stand by what I said earlier. Your misinterpretations - not so much. Black people commit crimes, especially the kind of street crimes that concern people, at rates disproportionate to their representation in the population. High-crime neighborhoods are high-crime. The police are not ignoring white crime and concentrating only on black crime. These are facts. Deal with it. Or not, as you prefer. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/239 "2018-02-13T19:13:03Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I didn’t think it was very complicated, but let me try to clarify. > > About 13% of Americans are black. Do those black Americans commit: > > A) less than 13% of street crime > B) 13% of street crime > C) more than 13% of street crime > > ? And how will the answer to that affect the way you treat a random black person who you’ve never met before? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511/240 "2018-02-13T19:13:48Z")
Any comments about the OP itself, **Shodan**? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-privilage/808511.md?page=13)