# White supremacist finds out he has black ancestry **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 12, 2013, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702 "2013-11-12T05:02:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/21 "2013-11-12T16:27:04Z")
All I could think of was that Dave Chappelle sketch with the blind KKK leader. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/22 "2013-11-12T16:40:25Z")
> [@ctnguy](#): > > Reminds me of the story of [the anti-Semitic politician in Hungary who discovered he was actually Jewish](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/14/158773637/leader-of-anti-semitic-party-in-hungary-discovers-hes-jewish). Or [Dan Burros](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros), the Klansman and American Nazi Party member who committed suicide after he was publically revealed to be Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/23 "2013-11-12T16:46:14Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > This whole thing is kind of disgusting. > > The premise is, “let’s get someone we all hate, and then point and laugh at him.” > > I am in no way standing up for this guy’s racism, but this was nothing more than an opportunity for a bunch of people to feel superior and let out some hate of their own. Not a pleasant sight. Exactly. And if you think about it, isn’t mocking this guy’s bigotry just as bad as his own efforts to set up a white supremacist enclave and his advocacy of racial holy war? Wait, what’s that? You say that’s not the same and the two things are not remotely equivalent in badness? In that case I’m going to go on laughing. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/24 "2013-11-12T16:52:04Z")
It’s not the same. Keep pointing and laughing. It’s a variant on the old chestnut “You’re arguing for tolerance, so you have to tolerate intolerance!” Yeah. Bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/25 "2013-11-12T17:17:14Z")
I wonder how his fellow supremacists will treat him. He seems to be loaded, so my guess is lots of cognitive dissonance. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/26 "2013-11-12T17:39:38Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > This whole thing is kind of disgusting. > > The premise is, “let’s get someone we all hate, and then point and laugh at him.” > > I am in no way standing up for this guy’s racism, but this was nothing more than an opportunity for a bunch of people to feel superior and let out some hate of their own. Not a pleasant sight. I don’t just feel superior, nossir. I am superior. Because I am judging someone for their intentions and their actions, not their color. I am judging him for what he does, not for who his mama did. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/27 "2013-11-12T17:43:38Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Didn’t Chappelle do that sketch years ago? > > I can’t get with the program and laugh at the racist. If you read the article you will see that the revelation did not effect the guy in the least. He just believes the test is fake and he is still doing really scary things in North Dakota. Its not a laughing matter. It’s my humble, unsupported opinion that his actions in ND are using race as a background but are primarily aimed at converting his money to power over a community of people. He wants to be in charge of stuff. In which case, I’m hoping this revelation will take enough of the wind out of those sails, discourage enough potential supporters, so that his project fails. Because if he succeeds, it will be ugly (and not only from a racial point of view). Roddy ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/28 "2013-11-12T17:56:55Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Exactly. And if you think about it, isn’t mocking this guy’s bigotry just as bad as his own efforts to set up a white supremacist enclave and his advocacy of racial holy war? > > Wait, what’s that? You say that’s not the same and the two things are not remotely equivalent in badness? In that case I’m going to go on laughing. > [@Mangetout](#): > > It’s not the same. Keep pointing and laughing. > > It’s a variant on the old chestnut “You’re arguing for tolerance, so you have to tolerate intolerance!” Yeah. Bullshit. If we’re going to make false equivalences: In no way did I say that the ‘badness’ of what happened on the talk show is equivalent to the ‘badness’ of this guy’s deeds. Being uncomfortable with inviting a guy onto a show for the express purpose of ridiculing him in public is not at all the same as calling for us to “tolerate intolerance.” Bullshit yourself. My point is that this was a total set-up, done specifically so the host/audience could, as I said before, “feel superior and let out some hate of their own,” in a publicly approved way because of course it’s so obvious that this man deserves to be hated. Well, maybe he does deserve it, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I am wary and uncomfortable around people who justify public ridicule because it makes them feel good and the victim is so obviously wrong. There are so many other and actually effective ways to bring about change, if change is what people want. Resorting to being an ass to someone because you can get away with it is not an admirable action. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/29 "2013-11-12T18:00:19Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > There are so many other and actually effective ways to bring about change, if change is what people want. There’s a saying that you can’t reason people out of opinions they didn’t reason themselves into. It’s not impossible this guy will change his views on race one day, but reasoning won’t do it. People like this should be ridiculed and mocked because if you just pat them on the head and ignore them, they will take full advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/30 "2013-11-12T18:35:01Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Not really a point: if you go far enough back we all have black ancestry. Racism is stupid. [Devil’s Advocate] True, but if you go back even further we have some kind of monkey ancestry. Point is, Blacks stopped evolving while others, especially Whites, just kept getting better and better. [/Devil’s Advocate] ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/31 "2013-11-12T19:37:06Z")
by Alexandre Dumas, père > [@](#): > > My father was a mulatto, my grandfather was a Negro, and my great-grandfather a monkey. You see, Sir, my family starts where yours ends. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/32 "2013-11-12T20:57:38Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > It’s my humble, unsupported opinion that his actions in ND are using race as a background but are primarily aimed at converting his money to power over a community of people. He wants to be in charge of stuff. In which case, I’m hoping this revelation will take enough of the wind out of those sails, discourage enough potential supporters, so that his project fails. Because if he succeeds, it will be ugly (and not only from a racial point of view). > Roddy But you see, the test was rigged by the mongrel press to make this great man look bad. Its not going to work because he is obviously pure of race. I guarantee it did nothing to hurt him in the eyes of his followers. Just the opposite probably. The media and other godless organizations areso scared of him they are spreading lies and hateful words about him. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/33 "2013-11-12T21:09:47Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > by Alexandre Dumas, père > > My father was a mulatto, my grandfather was a Negro, and my great-grandfather a monkey. You see, Sir, my family starts where yours ends. _Oh, enclenchez!_ ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/34 "2013-11-12T21:52:58Z")
> [@pravnik](#): > > Or [Dan Burros](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros), the Klansman and American Nazi Party member who committed suicide after he was publically revealed to be Jewish. > [@](#): > > Burros would sometimes bring a knish to the American Nazi Party headquarters and make such statements as “Let’s eat this good Jew food!” Man, that guy’s issues had issues. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2013, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/35 "2013-11-12T22:10:26Z")
Who the hell is “purebred” anymore? Especially in America? My ancestry covers most of northern Europe and Scandinavia and I still have a tiny amount of Native American blood. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/36 "2013-11-13T00:43:17Z")
> [@ctnguy](#): > > Reminds me of the story of [the anti-Semitic politician in Hungary who discovered he was actually Jewish](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/14/158773637/leader-of-anti-semitic-party-in-hungary-discovers-hes-jewish). There was a fascinating article about this in the November 11 issue of The New Yorker, but I think you need to subscribe to see it. Szegedi apparently has renounced his past and become an observant Jew. He is trying to buy all copies of his old book so that he can destroy them. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/37 "2013-11-13T04:47:57Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Well, maybe he does deserve it, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I am wary and uncomfortable around people who justify public ridicule because it makes them feel good and the victim is so obviously wrong. There are so many other and actually effective ways to bring about change, if change is what people want. Resorting to being an ass to someone because you can get away with it is not an admirable action. If this is your conviction, why are you only bringing it up now? This is far from the first thread to do this. I used to have a problem with this sort of thing, too. But I then realized how big a hypocrite I was. Most of my favorite comedy is satire, which often involves publicly ridiculing people. The fact is that no one in this thread wants to change anything. The OP found something funny and is sharing it. Public shaming is the problem, and this isn’t that. The guy will never know about this. No one intends this thread to cause him to change, let alone to hurt him. We are just people enjoying the irony of the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/38 "2013-11-13T05:16:44Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Public shaming is the problem, and this isn’t that. The problem is that white supremacism exists. ---
**Author:** ![Valgard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7feea3/32.png) [@Valgard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valgard)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2013, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/39 "2013-11-13T16:28:23Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The OP found something funny and is sharing it. > > Public shaming is the problem, and this isn’t that. The guy will never know about this. No one intends this thread to cause him to change, let alone to hurt him. We are just people enjoying the irony of the situation. When a grownup is an intentional asshole and it blows up in their face, I have no problem laughing at them. So I yet again say “Ha ha” to that nimrod. Maybe, like some of the other bigots mentioned in this thread, it’ll be a learning moment for him and perhaps result in a positive attitude adjustment. As far as public shaming goes, IMHO this guy’s **own actions** are what publically shame him. That ancestry test just provides another example of why he’s a goon. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702/40 "2013-11-14T00:41:48Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > If we’re going to make false equivalences: > > In no way did I say that the ‘badness’ of what happened on the talk show is equivalent to the ‘badness’ of this guy’s deeds. > > Being uncomfortable with inviting a guy onto a show for the express purpose of ridiculing him in public is not at all the same as calling for us to “tolerate intolerance.” Bullshit yourself. I wasn’t responding to you - and the ‘bullshit’ was meant only to be a summary of the ‘tolerate intolerance’ thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacist-finds-out-he-has-black-ancestry/673702.md?page=3)