# White supremacists are the biggest ideological threat to American lives, by far **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449 "2019-08-10T12:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/201 "2019-08-13T17:41:40Z")
They don’t have to take over the entire US, whatever that means. Just the Oval office, which they’ve done. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/202 "2019-08-13T17:41:59Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Ok that’s Trump. I’ve been talking about others. Of course Trump is violent. Commander in Chief, amirite? Others. Like the people at his rallies who have assaulted protesters and whose legal fees Trump claimed he would cover for committing said assault. Those others? Or others that have sent pipe bombs to various Trump detractors? How about the others who have written manifestos and committed murder using strikingly Trumpian rhetoric? What about those numerous others who have been emboldened to commit less horrific but no less racist acts against various minorities? And let’s not lose track of those others who despite everything Trump has said and done, will still proudly vote for him in the next election? Are those the others you’ve been talking about? > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Ok bud. Of course if someone explicitly rejects violence but also holds differing political beliefs from you, you will try to smear him as a supporter of violence. Smear him? I quoted and linked him saying those things verbatim. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/203 "2019-08-13T17:42:01Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > Why do they have any more merit than people who live in Africa, Asia, or Eastern Europe who want to migrate to America? We already take in thousands of immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. Why should those who sneak across automatically get to stay for free? Every country in the world has immigration laws. Why cant we? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/204 "2019-08-13T17:43:02Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > We already take in thousands of immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. Why should those who sneak across automatically get to stay for free? > > Every country in the world has immigration laws. Why cant we? We do, but a lot of them are dumb and counterproductive, and should be changed. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/205 "2019-08-13T17:43:43Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > They don’t have to take over the entire US. Just the Oval office, which they’ve done. And democrats control major cities like Baltimore and Detroit with majority black populations and how has that been for them? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/206 "2019-08-13T17:45:42Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And democrats control major cities like Baltimore and Detroit with majority black populations and how has that been for them? How has what been for them? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/207 "2019-08-13T17:47:49Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And democrats control major cities like Baltimore and Detroit with majority black populations and how has that been for them? Do you _really_ want to go with “Blacks make cities worse”? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/208 "2019-08-13T17:52:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you _really_ want to go with “Blacks make cities worse”? He’s looking for the daily-double-down, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/209 "2019-08-13T18:02:07Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And democrats control major cities like Baltimore and Detroit with majority black populations and how has that been for them? Is that the opposite of white supremacist? Democrat? ETA: My point was that white supremacists don’t have to take over the entire US, whatever that means. And you counter with Yeah, but Democrats. Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/210 "2019-08-13T18:08:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You disagreed with two posts referring to Trump’s tacit (or explicit) endorsement of violence. No I didn’t. Thanks for your input once again. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/211 "2019-08-13T18:12:44Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > No I didn’t. Thanks for your input once again. You did in post #193 and #195, but if I misinterpreted, then no problem! ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/212 "2019-08-13T18:12:52Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Others. Like the people at his rallies who have assaulted protesters and whose legal fees Trump claimed he would cover for committing said assault. Those others? Or others that have sent pipe bombs to various Trump detractors? How about the others who have written manifestos and committed murder using strikingly Trumpian rhetoric? What about those numerous others who have been emboldened to commit less horrific but no less racist acts against various minorities? And let’s not lose track of those others who despite everything Trump has said and done, will still proudly vote for him in the next election? > > Are those the others you’ve been talking about? > > Smear him? I quoted and linked him saying those things verbatim. I wasn’t talking about Trump. I’ve been talking about the supposed violent white supremacists named upthread. They have been smeared as supporters of violence when they explicitly reject it. In the case of Molyneux he is verging on an extreme anti violence position. The only video I watched of his was when he was railing against Obama for laughing about and supporting American Blacks’ physical abuse of children. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/213 "2019-08-13T18:18:24Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > I wasn’t talking about Trump. I’ve been talking about the supposed violent white supremacists named upthread. > > They have been smeared as supporters of violence when they explicitly reject it. In the case of Molyneux he is verging on an extreme anti violence position. The only video I watched of his was when he was railing against Obama for laughing about and supporting American Blacks’ physical abuse of children. Molyneux and Southern downplayed the nigh-genocidal violence of colonists against native Australians. They’ve also (of course) supported the violence-endorsing Trump and excused/defended his violent rhetoric. It’s a joke to call these dishonest, bigoted assholes “anti violence”. They’re very clearly tolerant and even supportive of certain types of violence. And Gavin McInnes has explicitly said that he desires violence. Your understanding of the views and rhetoric of these violence-endorsing assholes is factually incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/214 "2019-08-13T19:00:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Molyneux and Southern downplayed the nigh-genocidal violence of colonists against native Australians. They’ve also (of course) supported the violence-endorsing Trump and excused/defended his violent rhetoric. It’s a joke to call these dishonest, bigoted assholes “anti violence”. They’re very clearly tolerant and even supportive of certain types of violence. > > And Gavin McInnes has explicitly said that he desires violence. > > Your understanding of the views and rhetoric of these violence-endorsing assholes is factually incorrect. Of course you will no more support the claim that they support violence than the other poster. Trump is no more violent than Obama or Bush. Do supporters of Obama and Bush also get smeared as supporters of violence? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/215 "2019-08-13T19:04:10Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Of course you will no more support the claim that they support violence than the other poster. > > Trump is no more violent than Obama or Bush. Do supporters of Obama and Bush also get smeared as supporters of violence? Wait… are you backing off your claim? Now you agree with me that Molyneux, Southern, and McInnes ([who said, literally “I want violence”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes#Violence)) are all tolerant or supportive of violence? If so, good for you for recognizing it, even if it’s obvious enough to the rest of it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/216 "2019-08-13T19:09:27Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Of course you will no more support the claim that they support violence than the other poster. [Ohferfucksakes!](https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2018/10/we-will-kill-you-viral-video-appears-to-show-proud-boys-founder-calling-for-violence-from-trump-supporters/) Do I have to do all your google homework for you? > [@](#): > > McInnes is known as the co-founder of VICE Media, and now has a talk show on CRTV. He is also a Fox News guest. > > Here are a few excerpts: > > “Like Bill the Butcher and the Bowery Boys, we will assassinate you.” > > “If you’re wearing a MAGA hat and some guy with a slightly punk demeanor says, ‘Hey, are you … pro-Trump?’ choke him. Trust your instincts.” > > “Don’t listen to what he has to say, choke him.” > > “Can you call for violence generally? ‘Cause I am.” > > “Fighting solves everything. We need more violence from the Trump people.” > > “Trump supporters: Choke a motherfucker. Choke a bitch. Choke a tranny. Get your fingers around the windpipe.” (Better clip of this statement here.) > > “Get a fucking gun.” > > “Get ready to blow someone’s fucking head off.” > > “Get in trouble. Get arrested. Get fired. They can’t kill us all.” > [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Trump is no more violent than Obama or Bush. Do supporters of Obama and Bush also get smeared as supporters of violence? Cite wherein Obama and/or Bush encouraged violence at rallies or defended white supremacists? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/217 "2019-08-13T19:25:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Wait… are you backing off your claim? Now you agree with me that Molyneux, Southern, and McInnes ([who said, literally “I want violence”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_McInnes#Violence)) are all tolerant or supportive of violence? If so, good for you for recognizing it, even if it’s obvious enough to the rest of it. It’s obvious that they support violence? If so, you would support the claim. You continue to not support the claim. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/218 "2019-08-13T19:26:52Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Trump is no more violent than Obama or Bush. Do supporters of Obama and Bush also get smeared as supporters of violence? > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Cite wherein Obama and/or Bush encouraged violence at rallies or defended white supremacists? Wait… let me guess… But IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN and DRONES!!! When caught talking shit, change the subject. Amarite? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/219 "2019-08-13T19:27:01Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > It’s obvious that they support violence? If so, you would support the claim. You continue to not support the claim. So you don’t believe McInnes’ own words (cited multiple times already) that he desires and supports violence supports the claim that McInnes supports violence? ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/220 "2019-08-13T19:27:20Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > [Ohferfucksakes!](https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2018/10/we-will-kill-you-viral-video-appears-to-show-proud-boys-founder-calling-for-violence-from-trump-supporters/) Do I have to do all your google homework for you? > > Cite wherein Obama and/or Bush encouraged violence at rallies or defended white supremacists? It is funny that you will twist yourselves into pretzels to avoid supporting the claim that Molyneux and Southern support violence. Perhaps you should refrain from trusting biased secondary sources. Believe it or not there are other ways to initiate violence, like starting wars. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449.md?page=12)