# White supremacists are the biggest ideological threat to American lives, by far **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449 "2019-08-10T12:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/341 "2019-08-16T19:04:48Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > In the long run, very positive. In the short run, they will likely need to have some level of assistance. > > You didn’t answer my question. Would you or would you not ask a refugee if they will be a boon or a burden? Sure I would, why wouldn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/342 "2019-08-16T19:07:13Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Sure I would, why wouldn’t I? Do you understand what a refugee is? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/343 "2019-08-16T19:07:14Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Only if we make similar quotas for people looking to move out of Sumter County. So basically, its all or nothing. I got it. We (the collective US of A citizens ) would be making whatever rules are best for US. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/344 "2019-08-16T19:08:22Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > Wait, did you move halfway across the country in the half hour between those posts? I don’t know if you’re trying to make a joke or just sincerely confused. Those posts are by three separate people. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/345 "2019-08-16T19:08:24Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Do you understand what a refugee is? Do you understand that it doesn’t much matter if we are making an economical decision? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/346 "2019-08-16T19:12:59Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Do you understand that it doesn’t much matter if we are making an economical decision? “A reasonable measure of the worth of a foreigner’s life is how much he may contribute to the wealth of the United States.” Do you agree or disagree? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/347 "2019-08-16T19:13:36Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Do you understand that it doesn’t much matter if we are making an economical decision? No room or consideration for humanitarian decisions? Or is it all about the economics of day trading with people’s lives? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/348 "2019-08-16T19:18:01Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Sure I would, why wouldn’t I? Because you avoided answering a yes or no question. Your position is no refugees, correct? > [@Kearsen1](#): > > So basically, its all or nothing. I got it. No, just pointing out how silly of a proposition that is. People will go to where the jobs are, where the economic opportunities are. Putting quotas on that will interfere in that natural form of the free market. If there are areas that we wish to encourage immigration, then making incentives to move there can make sense. Forbidding people to move to places will only create authoritarian policies that will not benefit anyone other than xenophobes. > [@](#): > > We (the collective US of A citizens ) would be making whatever rules are best for US. Well, sure, that’s what we should do. But it seems that our immigration policies are being based on what is best for white people. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/349 "2019-08-16T19:19:10Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > No room or consideration for humanitarian decisions? Or is it all about the economics of day trading with people’s lives? That opens up all cans of worms. It’s rather easy to make a rational decision in regards to immigration when you can be emotionless. Those other emotional based immigration cases would just need to be looked at separately. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/350 "2019-08-16T19:19:20Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Do you understand that it doesn’t much matter if we are making an economical decision? Yikes. Human life doesn’t matter? We’re just counting beans? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/351 "2019-08-16T19:21:13Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > That opens up all cans of worms. It’s rather easy to make a rational decision in regards to immigration when you can be emotionless. > > Those other emotional based immigration cases would just need to be looked at separately. It’s not about emotion. It’s about who we want to be as a country. Are we what we claim to be based on the ideals we were founded on, or are we … something else now? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/352 "2019-08-16T20:18:40Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I mentioned in another thread about a recent drive I made from the south suburbs of Chicago, through central Illinois to Indianapolis. Boy, full is an understatement. Heading south through Illinois every hundred or so miles a town would pop up out of nowhere, home to- I’m guessing- 2 or 3 thousand people. It was amazing. And don’t get me started about this place I went through called Champaign-Urbana. I’m guessing again that that place must have had 100,000 people. And there it was, RIGHT in between Chicago and Indianapolis! Full to the brim we are. I was thinking about this last night and I will encourage you to try this: Please, stop in a few of those towns of around 2-3,000 people and find the town mayor or other leader. Inform him or her you represent the federal government and that they will in around 2 months, be the delivery point of about 100 refugees. All non english speaking and from a vastly different culture. Inform him/her that town will be REQUIRED to not only take them in but provide housing, food, sanitation, medical care, jobs, plus schooling for any children. Also inform him/her that in another year, or maybe less, there will be another busload of another 100. Then another. Then another. Just how will they take this news? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/353 "2019-08-16T20:20:46Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > The USA would have a dropping population if it weren’t for immigration. Thing is we DO have immigration. LEGAL immigration where we bring in I dont know like a million people a year. My next door neighbors from the Phillipines are immigrants like that. We dont need to take in everyone. We can have borders and decide who gets let in or not. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/354 "2019-08-16T20:20:49Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I was thinking about this last night and I will encourage you to try this: > > Please, stop in a few of those towns of around 2-3,000 people and find the town mayor or other leader. Inform him or her you represent the federal government and that they will in around 2 months, be the delivery point of about 100 refugees. All non english speaking and from a vastly different culture. Inform him/her that town will be REQUIRED to not only take them in but provide housing, food, sanitation, medical care, jobs, plus schooling for any children. > > Also inform him/her that in another year, or maybe less, there will be another busload of another 100. Then another. Then another. > > Just how will they take this news? Why would you encourage him to go to a town full of strangers and lie to them? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/355 "2019-08-16T20:33:19Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Plenty of room for a million more people in Detroit alone. I dont live there but from what I’ve seen I can agree. I see pictures and stories of many empty neighborhoods. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/356 "2019-08-16T20:37:15Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I was thinking about this last night and I will encourage you to try this: > > Please, stop in a few of those towns of around 2-3,000 people and find the town mayor or other leader. Inform him or her you represent the federal government and that they will in around 2 months, be the delivery point of about 100 refugees. All non english speaking and from a vastly different culture. Inform him/her that town will be REQUIRED to not only take them in but provide housing, food, sanitation, medical care, jobs, plus schooling for any children. > > Also inform him/her that in another year, or maybe less, there will be another busload of another 100. Then another. Then another. > > Just how will they take this news? Let us set up a ridiculous scenario designed to antagonize the target as much as possible, that has no basis in reality, then pretend to know what will happen next. You sure showed _us_! ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/357 "2019-08-16T20:40:26Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Yikes. Human life doesn’t matter? We’re just counting beans? See the post directly above yours … ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/358 "2019-08-16T20:40:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Putting your obvious anger issues aside for the moment, I want you to know that I understand where you’re coming from. I spent a week in Kansas City on business. I stayed in the Power & Light district and the client office was pleasant mile or so walk. It overlooked the cement pillar statue with the steer on top - monument to the local livestock industry, I assume. I enjoyed the brutal architecture of the city and the hospitality. What I enjoyed most, and has eerily stuck with me the longest, is the absolute absence of traffic in the downtown core even at the height of rush hour. I mean there were periods of time when I could not see cars for entire city blocks. I have photos. > > So if that is your mindset, I can certainly appreciate that large coastal cities and more densely populated states are at least as big a shock to you as Kansas City rush hour was to me. I can’t even say that I didn’t enjoy the relative peace and quiet of a city that is so under-populated. However, I also observed that, entire office building stood completely empty and shuttered, the roads were not well maintained, the airport was a shambles, the kind of ambiance and abundance of culture (theater, museums, fine dining) that I enjoy in a large city was absent. So all in all, I’d say that Kansas City could do with a larger population and a better infrastructure to make it a more interesting place to visit. I guess that’s what you like about living there. The fact that it doesn’t necessarily attract the crowds like L.A., NYC, S.F, DC, etc… > > That may well be a reasonable point of view to hold for you, coming from this perspective. It does not however, justify the angry opinion of, “Go Home! We’re full!”. It’s just an ill informed and poorly reasoned opinion that sounds very much like one based on a xenophobic nationalist ideology. If you would have driven out to the suburbs you would have seen how full we are getting. In my hometown of Overland Park houses for single family home have skyrocketed and almost all the new construction are apartments or condominiums. They tore down one golf course and built a massive apartment complex plus multi family homes. On Metcalf they tore down old buildings and are building apartments. Heck everywhere I look is apartments, apartments, apartments. So while we dont currently have the homeless problem of other cities I can see we are barely keeping up. Traffic is really getting bad and our mass transit options are limited. Now could we keep expanding and keep slapping more apartments on farmland? I suppose. But thats getting to be more and more expensive plus you must also then expand services like water and sewers plus the new places are further from job centers. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/359 "2019-08-16T20:44:32Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > It’s not about emotion. It’s about who we want to be as a country. Are we what we claim to be based on the ideals we were founded on, or are we … something else now? Yes, it is very much about emotion. And every bit of the current divisiveness that is our political parties, is ALL about emotion driven paranoia. Look “open borders!” Look , dying children! We as a country know we want better, most can even see how to go about making it better. But all the rest would rather play the “not us”, or “but they do it worse” or hyperbole wins the thread games. No one, not a single one of you, are willing to put aside the political differences to come together. Now the politicians, they make back room deals all the time because its all just smoke and mirrors to their constituents. But oh no, not us, we have all swallowed their divide and conquer (or really not conquer but just keep us in power) pill. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/360 "2019-08-16T20:47:21Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Who is actively promoting the idea of “de facto open borders”? > [@octopus](#): > > People who want to promote sanctuary policies and people who want to abolish ICE and people who want to ignore immigration law. ICE didn’t exist until 2003. Did you think that before 2003 we had entirely open borders? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449.md?page=19)