# White supremacists are the biggest ideological threat to American lives, by far **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449 "2019-08-10T12:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![rat\_avatar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rat_avatar/32/255_2.png) [@rat\_avatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rat_avatar)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/381 "2019-08-17T20:11:04Z")
People who make the “We have too many people already” forget that a declining population is adverse for an economy which borrowed extensively for repayment by younger generations… Everything from municipal bonds, home values, and 401k in the US will be impacted by deflation. Even without that debt there is a age shift that dramatically impacts the quality of life for the young members who have to increase productivity to take care of the elderly. Every single long term economic trend in US history has been fed by immigration or slavery. As an example Irish, Finnish, German and Italians all functioned as the influx of cheap labor for less desirable jobs…and they are all “hated” by nationalists at the time yet their descendants are now considered as the “white” and “acceptable” types now. As this pattern has repeated several times in America I doubt that this will be the last time it happens. I just hope that we don’t have to resort to a Holocaust for it to end this time (Yes Nordicism and Eugenics were an US export to Nazi Germany) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/383 "2019-08-17T21:50:21Z")
> [@atomizerstrongdudecheers666](#): > > White supremacy is just one of the many sub-ideologies caused by the divide et impera strategy, which we all know works as pawn sacrifice so we could all further drive hate against each other and drive white people into cuckoldry and white guilt, rooted in the subversion of history by the one and only, the eternal kike (not jew, jews fundamentally no longer exist) > > I am black dont hate or youre racist This is a warning for hate speech. It’s also a banning. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/384 "2019-08-17T23:08:24Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I But the US has come to a point we can NOT take any more. WE ARE FULL! Just tripped across this, which seems relevant: [‘This will be catastrophic’: Maine families face elder boom, worker shortage in preview of nation’s future](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/this-will-be-catastrophic-maine-families-face-elder-boom-worker-shortage-in-preview-of-nations-future/2019/08/14/7cecafc6-bec1-11e9-b873-63ace636af08_story.html?noredirect=on) > [@](#): > > Janet Flaherty got an alarming call last October from the agency tasked with coordinating in-home care for her 82-year-old mother. It could no longer send her mom’s home caretaker. It knew of no other aides who could care for her mother, either. > > Flaherty’s mother, Caroline, has for two years qualified for in-home care paid for by the state’s Medicaid program. But the agency could not find someone to hire amid a severe shortage of workers that has crippled facilities for seniors across the state. [. . .] > > two slow-moving demographic forces — the growth of the retirement population and a simultaneous decline in young workers — that have been exacerbated by a national worker shortage [. . .] > > “As the oldest state, Maine is the tip of the spear — but it foreshadows what is to come for the entire country.” > > Last year, Maine crossed a crucial aging milestone: A fifth of its population is older than 65, which meets the definition of “super-aged,” according to the World Bank. > > By 2026, Maine will be joined by more than 15 other states, according to Fitch Ratings, including Vermont and New Hampshire, Maine’s neighbors in the Northeast; Montana; Delaware; West Virginia; Wisconsin; and Pennsylvania. More than a dozen more will meet that criterion by 2030. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/385 "2019-08-17T23:19:20Z")
nm, wrong thread ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/386 "2019-08-19T15:47:11Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I was thinking about this last night and I will encourage you to try this: > > Please, stop in a few of those towns of around 2-3,000 people and find the town mayor or other leader. Inform him or her you represent the federal government and that they will in around 2 months, be the delivery point of about 100 refugees. All non english speaking and from a vastly different culture. Inform him/her that town will be REQUIRED to not only take them in but provide housing, food, sanitation, medical care, jobs, plus schooling for any children. > > Also inform him/her that in another year, or maybe less, there will be another busload of another 100. Then another. Then another. > > Just how will they take this news? “Yay, more people means more jobs for all of us, to build their houses, sell them food and gasoline, and provide additional tax revenue!” Maybe that? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/387 "2019-08-19T17:26:48Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > “Yay, more people means more jobs for all of us, to build their houses, sell them food and gasoline, and provide additional tax revenue!” Maybe that? Doubtful. I’ve worked with refugees in AmeriCorps; I’d be hard-pressed to name a small town that would respond this way. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/388 "2019-08-19T23:42:42Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > 2 questions: > > “Are you going to be a boon or a burden to the US of A?” > “Are you going to adhere to all the rules of the US of A?” Follow-up question: how could you _possibly_ tell? Let’s just take two examples. Two immigrant children. Both refugees, both brought to the US. One as an infant, one as a pre-teen. One was a schizophrenic homeless man with a long criminal rap sheet. [We sent him to his death in a country he’s never lived in](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/08/politics/deported-iraqi-national-dies/index.html). The other turned into an upstanding citizen who went on to represent Minnesota’s 5th congressional district. She is being touted by the far-right as an example of “[how dangerous immigration is](http://www.citypages.com/news/tucker-carlson-uses-ilhan-omar-as-example-of-how-dangerous-immigration-is/512540602)”. Both were children when they showed up. One was (probably, it’s really hard to tell with these things) a burden on the US. One was (probably, it’s _really really hard_ to tell with these things) a boon. If you’re the man filling out their immigration application… How could you possibly begin to know the answer to these questions? Yes, this is a simple system. A simple system that is utterly unworkable in practice. > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I was thinking about this last night and I will encourage you to try this: > > Please, stop in a few of those towns of around 2-3,000 people and find the town mayor or other leader. Inform him or her you represent the federal government and that they will in around 2 months, be the delivery point of about 100 refugees. All non english speaking and from a vastly different culture. Inform him/her that town will be REQUIRED to not only take them in but provide housing, food, sanitation, medical care, jobs, plus schooling for any children. > > Also inform him/her that in another year, or maybe less, there will be another busload of another 100. Then another. Then another. > > Just how will they take this news? Literally quoted you on this earlier: > [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Funny story, that… > > [https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/blog/global-insight/immigrants-building-midwestern-boom-towns](https://www.thechicagocouncil.org/blog/global-insight/immigrants-building-midwestern-boom-towns) > > After decades of economic decline—with the shedding of manufacturing jobs, the Midwest has grown at a rate of less than half the national average over the past 50 years—the region is now experiencing something of a business renaissance. Much of this revival can be linked back to immigration—and its continuity will depend on immigration reform. > > More than 1 million immigrants moved to the Midwest between 2000 and 2010, revitalizing stagnating cities across the region. St. Louis owes nearly 40 percent of its population growth to immigration during that timeframe; the numbers are nearly 20 percent in Grand Rapids and 19 percent in Lincoln. > > But beyond their sheer numbers, immigrants are building local economies in other important ways. These new Midwesterners are young. The largest cohort is between the ages of 25 and34, prime working age, replacing greying native-born workers who are retiring en masse from local labor forces. The Midwest’s immigrants are also decidedly entrepreneurial. > > It’s not just that the country isn’t full. It’s that many places are actively in decline for a variety of reasons, and that immigration has helped many of them bounce back from demographic decline. Seriously, read the article. Many places in the midwest are thriving _explicitly because_ they took in huge numbers of immigrants. It’s the only way to keep their populations from getting top-heavy (demographic decline is never a good thing for a society). This has basically always been the case throughout US history. ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2019, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/389 "2019-08-20T14:29:01Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Doubtful. I’ve worked with refugees in AmeriCorps; I’d be hard-pressed to name a small town that would respond this way. Is this based on actual experience you have in helping refugees relocate to small towns, or just a hunch you have? In any case, it seems likely to me that if such refugees, after relocating, became upstanding members of the community, contributing to it culturally and economically, that people would be glad this happened. That is what I was going for in my response. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/390 "2019-08-27T17:20:50Z")
I’m having a hard time believing there’s any good-faith argument to be made at all the minimizes or dismisses the threat white supremacy poses. We fought a World War – in fact, the single worst collective event in the history of humanity – to overcome it. Then again, I never expected my own family would be attacked by a Nazi murderer in 2017. So there’s that data point. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/391 "2019-09-13T05:47:02Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I’ve already cited [this](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/immigrant-communities-ice-raids-fear). People that aren’t white are the targets of white supremacy. The ICE raids, what they are doing with the [Green Cards](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/us/politics/trump-immigration-policy.html), this isn’t an accident. The Venn diagram should be crystal clear. If you are white then you are unlikely ever to have an ICE agent come up to you and demand your papers. Thats the point. My point is that there are groups of people in the USA who are nonwhite and still at zero risk of being asked for green cards. Apologies for the delayed reply. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/392 "2019-09-13T09:14:30Z")
Side note - anyone else remember when someone coming up to you and randomly asking you for your papers was a hallmark of a totalitarian dictatorship in film or literature? I swear it wasn’t that long ago… ---
**Author:** ![kirkrapine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/393 "2019-09-13T17:44:18Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > If you would have driven out to the suburbs you would have seen how full we are getting. In my hometown of Overland Park houses for single family home have skyrocketed and almost all the new construction are apartments or condominiums. They tore down one golf course and built a massive apartment complex plus multi family homes. On Metcalf they tore down old buildings and are building apartments. Heck everywhere I look is apartments, apartments, apartments. > > So while we dont currently have the homeless problem of other cities I can see we are barely keeping up. > > Traffic is really getting bad and our mass transit options are limited. > > Now could we keep expanding and keep slapping more apartments on farmland? I suppose. But thats getting to be more and more expensive plus you must also then expand services like water and sewers plus the new places are further from job centers. Then why is KC proper so empty? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/394 "2019-09-19T15:15:57Z")
Speaking of Neo-nazis being an ideological threat… > **[Anti-Semites are using a popular chat app to compile a list of Jewish people](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/telegram-jewish-list/)** > > Even 4chan decided that the project was too toxic. > [@](#): > > Anti-Semitic trolls are creating an online list of Jewish people who are critical of white nationalism. Since its creation almost a month ago, it has become the fastest-growing alt-right group on the popular Telegram chat service. > > The list is mostly made of archived tweets from individuals criticizing white supremacy, misogyny, and other types of bigotry. Each profile includes a tweet in which the person in question describes themselves as Jewish. The first post on the list singled out Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), but posters quickly moved to documenting far less prominent people that they believe are Jewish. The list includes many who are not public figures, or who have only modest profiles as rank-and-file activists, journalists, or social media figures. Around a dozen people have been added nearly every day. > > The chat has been the fastest-growing alt-right public Telegram channel since the start of September, according to metrics compiled by a separate far-right Telegram group tracking similar channels. That channel’s data suggests the group has picked up over 1,500 new members in the last two weeks, averaging roughly 100 new subscriptions a day—a rate of growth three times that of the next channel. It now has 2,400 subscribers. Because the channel is publicly accessible, is likely being viewed by many more people. That’s not terrifying at all. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/395 "2019-09-20T21:42:05Z")
DHS adding white power assholes to the watch list. “The continuing menace of racially based violent extremism, particularly white supremacist extremism, is an abhorrent affront to our nation, the struggle and unity of its diverse population, and the core values of both our society and our department,” said Kevin McAleenan, the acting Homeland secretary, in a speech at the Brookings Institute in Washington. > **[Department of Homeland Security strategy adds white supremacy to list of threats](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/department-homeland-security-strategy-adds-white-supremacy-list-threats-n1057136)** > > Recent mass shootings have "galvanized the Department of Homeland Security to expand its counterterrorism mission focus beyond terrorists operating aboard," acting DHS Sec. Kevin McAleenan. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/396 "2019-12-04T21:44:11Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Glad to hear it! Rock-ribbed patriots all, humbled by what the refugees have gone through to get there and eager to welcome these people to their new home, the Greatest Country On Earth™! Of this I have no doubt. Turns out your mayor sees things my way. > **[Salt Lake City Mayor Jackie Biskupski welcomes refugees and immigrants...](https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2019/09/16/salt-lake-city-mayor/)** > > Mayor Jackie Biskupski said Monday that Salt Lake City is a welcoming refuge for everyone — except maybe President Donald Trump and his immigration and refugee policies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449.md?page=19)