# White supremacists are the biggest ideological threat to American lives, by far **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449 "2019-08-10T12:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/81 "2019-08-12T14:36:35Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > In addition to democracy doing much more damage than any other ideology, it is also wholeheartedly endorsed by a huge majority of the public and is preached as gospel in schools. It has control over the most powerful military apparatus in human history. It is in control of a government which confiscates more wealth than any organization in human history. > > There really is no equal to democracy as a dangerous ideology besides perhaps communism or real-deal socialism, both of which are relatively non-influential today. Well, it is the worst system of government, unless you include all the others. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/82 "2019-08-12T14:38:57Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Calling someone who believes that a small number of Jews can control all “white” nations a white SUPREMACIST is a mistake. I prefer, “Nazi Classic”. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/83 "2019-08-12T14:40:13Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Your response deftly avoids the OP by introducing criminal/penal laws and ongoing wars that have nothing to do with what’s being discussed. Let’s stay on topic, shall we? The topic is dangerous ideologies. Democracy has begat criminal/penal laws and wars. I can drop the war stuff to satiate the OP’s barely veiled nationalism if you wish. > [@](#): > > Any chance that a large proportion of those killed by police were killed during the commission of an actual crime? Or have you accounted for that in your well cited argument? Even if they were committing a “crime”, it would only be a legitimate killing if it was in proportion to the damages caused by the killed individual. Many are killed while committing “crimes” with no victim. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/84 "2019-08-12T14:43:02Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Well, it is the worst system of government, unless you include all the others. If by worst system of government you mean it is the most dangerous active ideology because it controls the most powerful and active governments, you might be correct. If white supremacy had control of the many government institutions, it would probably be the most dangerous. It doesn’t, so it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/85 "2019-08-12T14:44:21Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > If white supremacy had control of the many government institutions, it would probably be the most dangerous. It doesn’t, so it isn’t. You’ve not been paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/86 "2019-08-12T14:48:37Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’ve not been paying attention. Yes so much has been done in the name of white supremacy under Trump and Republicans. Lol They haven’t even built a wall. No. Democracy has given us all of the policies of the US govt. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/87 "2019-08-12T14:51:18Z")
Just going to drop this NPR article here: [White Supremacy Has Never Been Fringe](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/08/10/749202273/white-supremacy-isnt-emerging-from-the-fringes-its-part-of-americas-core) > [@](#): > > it has historically been politically inconvenient for government officials to confront violent white supremacy. This is in large part because it is impossible to find any period in American politics in which the notion that there should be a racial order with white people at the top, or the idea that the United States is and should remain a country for white people, has not enjoyed a robust mainstream constituency. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/88 "2019-08-12T14:51:38Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Yes so much has been done in the name of white supremacy under Trump and Republicans. Lol > > They haven’t even built a wall. > > No. Democracy has given us all of the policies of the US govt. You are very good at changing the subject. Your persuasive arguments need work. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/89 "2019-08-12T15:04:51Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You are very good at changing the subject. Your persuasive arguments need work. Ok bud. Good luck finding those boogeymen. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/90 "2019-08-12T15:45:23Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > …North Korea has the problems it does because we decided that we knew better than the Koreans how to run their country, and we fought those who wanted to run it their way. _We split up a country_ that had thousands of years of history because we knew better, and dehumanized those who were against us. > > _North Korea is up against a hostile world_, with belligerents at its doorstep. I disagree with the motives and desires, but the actions that they take are a perfectly rational, if brutal and inhumane, approach to achieving those motives and desires. > > You must have missed the news from the last decade, he _does_ have nuclear weapons, he doesn’t need to get ahold of them. And he hasn’t done anything crazy with them, he has just threatened to use them if we were to attack or invade. That’s actually pretty rational. You try to paint him as some insane raving lunatic, so that you don’t have to accept that his actions are perfectly predictable and are entirely based upon the actions that we take against him… “We” split up Korea? And why is the DPRK “up against a hostile world”? Nobody would want to invade then if not for their actual aggression against the RoK and Japan. The DPRK does not have “belligerents at its doorstep”, they have a nation that was invaded by them in 1950 worried they will try again. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/91 "2019-08-12T15:46:43Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Ok bud. Good luck finding those boogeymen. You too. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/92 "2019-08-12T16:13:50Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I have never worried about someone gunning me down while I’m at Walmart or McDonald’s. Do you ever worry about being asked to see your green card? If not, then perhaps you don’t have as much to worry about when it comes to being targeted by white supremacists. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/93 "2019-08-12T16:37:44Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you ever worry about being asked to see your green card? If not, then perhaps you don’t have as much to worry about when it comes to being targeted by white supremacists. White supremacists are among many ideologues who favor restrictions on immigration. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/94 "2019-08-12T16:41:35Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > White supremacists are among many ideologues who favor restrictions on immigration. And blueberries taste good in oatmeal. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/95 "2019-08-12T17:13:00Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > If white supremacy had control of the many government institutions, it would probably be the most dangerous. It doesn’t, so it isn’t. White supremacists have control over the executive branch of the United States government. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/96 "2019-08-12T17:19:16Z")
> **[A Reformed White Nationalist Says the Worst Is Yet to Come](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/08/conversation-christian-picciolini/595543/)** > > Christian Picciolini discusses the mainstreaming of white nationalism, what it takes to de-radicalize far-right extremists, and why the problem is metastasizing. > [@](#): > > White-supremacist terrorists—the ones who have left dozens dead in attacks in Pittsburgh, New Zealand, and El Paso, Texas, in recent months—aren’t just trying to outdo one another, he told us. They’re trying to outdo Timothy McVeigh, the anti-government terrorist who blew up an Oklahoma City federal building and killed more than 100 people in 1995—the worst terrorist attack in the United States before September 11, 2001. ---
**Author:** ![sps49sd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@sps49sd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sps49sd)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/97 "2019-08-12T18:16:14Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you ever worry about being asked to see your green card? If not, then perhaps you don’t have as much to worry about when it comes to being targeted by white supremacists. People worried about being asked to see their green card. People targeted by white extremists. I’d like to post a Venn diagram for this. This is a poor if:then statement. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/98 "2019-08-12T18:29:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you ever worry about being asked to see your green card? Never. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/99 "2019-08-12T18:35:28Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Never. If a white supremacist on a shooting spree were to see you, what are the chances he would say “OMG! It’s a brown invader!!” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449/100 "2019-08-12T18:40:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If a white supremacist on a shooting spree were to see you, what are the chances he would say “OMG! It’s a brown invader!!” Quite high chances, but the odds of me (or any American) being in the immediate vicinity of a shooting spree like El Paso are extremely low. Airplane-crash odds low. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacists-are-the-biggest-ideological-threat-to-american-lives-by-far/838449.md?page=6)