# White Supremacy is not a rhetorical tactic, ZPG\_Zealot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396 "2020-09-12T06:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/261 "2020-09-16T15:10:42Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Well, nigger is only really a vile slur against black men. Against offensive men of others races and ethnic group it wouldn’t be as effective. I would use something specific to their race and ethnic group if I thought it would be the most effective. My Jewish grandmother taught me some very filthy Yiddish to use in such situations. So you’re an equal opportunity racists. Imagine my relief. Stand down everyone. We had ZPG figured all wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/262 "2020-09-16T15:15:01Z")
Also glad to know it’s not a vile slur to use against black women. That’s a load off my mind. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/263 "2020-09-16T15:16:20Z")
Using the tools of white supremacism doesn’t help anyone but white supremacists. And they’re not useful for anything except for aiding white supremacism. It’s not like a knife, which can be used for good or ill. There is no “good” use for racial slurs. It doesn’t protect women – quite the opposite. It just increases hate in our society. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/264 "2020-09-16T15:28:43Z")
I’m curious, @ZPG_Zealot, if you feel that perhaps Nazis were justified in trying to exterminate the Romani based on their dislike of seeing the Romani walking about all over the place. As you say, ‘disgusting behavior has to be ruthlessly stamped out with whatever weapons are available’. Right? ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/265 "2020-09-16T15:37:30Z")
I think it would get under a redneck’s skin pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/266 "2020-09-16T15:50:19Z")
> I’m curious, @ZPG_Zealot, if you feel that perhaps Nazis were justified in trying to exterminate the Romani based on their dislike of seeing the Romani walking about all over the place. As you say, ‘disgusting behavior has to be ruthlessly stamped out with whatever weapons are available’. Right? Using a term designed to hurt and insult is an appropriate defense/response when similarly insulted. Comparing it to genocide is ludicrous. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/267 "2020-09-16T15:52:01Z")
> I think it would get under a redneck’s skin pretty good. Based on experience, white trash works better. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/268 "2020-09-16T16:00:39Z")
“Whatever weapons are available” were your words, not mine. I’m glad to hear that you advocate for practical limits to racism. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/269 "2020-09-16T16:01:09Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’ve earlier advocated for the “Goddamn, you suck” standard for banning people, based on behavior in the pit that’s way beyond what’s acceptable. This is a pretty good example of “Goddamn, you suck.” What, beyond morbid humor, does ZPG bring to the board? Seconded to the conclusion, and to the question none. Although, I suppose she does give the more dog-whistley racists on the board someone to point to as a “real racist.” Because she absolutely is that. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/270 "2020-09-16T16:13:55Z")
If you’re talking about rambling laws, or [right to roam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam), they don’t really apply to England and Wales the way they do in, say, Scotland or Scandinavia. In that they mostly only apply to wildland there, whereas elsewhere it’s much broader. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/271 "2020-09-16T16:22:03Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Using a term designed to hurt and insult is an appropriate defense/response when similarly insulted. Comparing it to genocide is ludicrous. I just checked my list of “people who are in any position to criticize ludicrously hyperbolic analogies,” and I’m not seeing your name. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/272 "2020-09-16T16:24:15Z")
It’s not the use of the word nigger that seals the whole racist deal, it’s her bald assertion that _only_ Black men hit on her. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/273 "2020-09-16T16:48:25Z")
How about on a Harvard Law grad? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/274 "2020-09-16T18:37:35Z")
> It’s not the use of the word nigger that seals the whole racist deal, it’s her bald assertion that _only_ Black men hit on her Where was that assertion made? Outside of your own subconscious, I mean? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/275 "2020-09-16T18:41:28Z")
> How about on a Harvard Law grad? Maybe a Performing Arts major? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/276 "2020-09-16T18:45:37Z")
My apologies. You merely said no White guy ever hit on you. Which, you’re right, is not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/277 "2020-09-16T18:50:46Z")
Is there some _deeper_ Pit we can dig at the bottom of the Pit for this thread? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/278 "2020-09-16T18:54:32Z")
It’s giving me new insight into how profoundly men do not fucking care about how women are treated. I was hoping the world was getting less sexist. Apparently, it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/279 "2020-09-16T18:55:04Z")
The correct answer is “Associate.” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/280 "2020-09-16T18:56:24Z")
It _is_ getting less sexist. It’s also getting less racist, which is going to leave your worthless, lying, race-hating ass out in the icy cold. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396.md?page=15)