# White Supremacy is not a rhetorical tactic, ZPG\_Zealot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396 "2020-09-12T06:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/281 "2020-09-16T19:01:12Z")
It’s not racists to defend yourself. Being African-American, being poor, being male, or being any combination of all three doesn’t give someone the right to harass a woman. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/282 "2020-09-16T19:12:30Z")
Idiot. Nobody is calling you a racist because you’re a woman who doesn’t want guys hitting on her. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/283 "2020-09-16T19:15:19Z")
Claiming that saying that one ought not to use vile racial epithets is sexist is literally the stupidest thing I’ve read all week, including from $45. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/284 "2020-09-16T19:16:18Z")
You’re saying I have to tiptoe around the feelings of a harasser deciding that the aggressor’s feelings are more important than the victim is absolutely sexism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/285 "2020-09-16T19:17:21Z")
No, we’re saying it’s wrong to use the tools of white supremacism. And moreover, that it doesn’t help you at all. Calling people the N word doesn’t protect you in any way. If anything, it puts you more in danger of harm. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/286 "2020-09-16T19:23:35Z")
> No, we’re saying it’s wrong to use the tools of white supremacism. And moreover, that it doesn’t help you at all. Calling people the N word doesn’t protect you in any way. If anything, it puts you more in danger of harm. I disagree and all my experience confirms that. You have to know how to use the word nigger to convey not just ridicule and humiliation, but a level of utter contempt that indicates you see physically harming that person as merely an inconvenience in life, not a matter of breaking a moral code. I’ll use whatever tools to repel a harasser possible rapist as are at my disposal. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/287 "2020-09-16T19:27:01Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > you see physically harming that person as merely an inconvenience in life, not a matter of breaking a moral code. So, dehumanizing language. We got that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/288 "2020-09-16T19:31:08Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > It’s not racists to defend yourself. It is the way you do it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/289 "2020-09-16T19:35:32Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > You have to know how to use the word nigger to convey not just ridicule and humiliation, but a level of utter contempt that indicates you see physically harming that person as merely an inconvenience in life, not a matter of breaking a moral code. You must be very, very thankful to the white supremacists in the history of the US who made this word so hateful and humiliating towards black men. I’m sure the KKK would be tickled pink to see you using it in this way. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/290 "2020-09-16T19:50:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m sure the KKK would be tickled pink to see you using it in this way. They’ve weaponized a word so as to make it so disarming that the word alone may protect white womanhood. What could possibly be wrong with that? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/291 "2020-09-16T19:53:29Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Black men that persist in hitting on a woman that has told them she does not want a sexual relationship with them are harassers and potential rapists. As are white men, Hispanic men, Jewish men, Arab men, etc., who behave that way. So what names do you call those ethnic groups to deter their advances? ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Sponge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dark_sponge/32/121_2.png) [@Dark\_Sponge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dark_Sponge)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/292 "2020-09-16T19:55:38Z")
She sounds more like an misandrist than a racist to me. She reminds me of the woman who falsely accused the man in the park of attacking her. So used to people ‘understanding’ when she plays the victim card that she’s shocked when it doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/293 "2020-09-16T19:57:29Z")
Yeah, which awful words do you use for Jews? Arabs? (I was going to list a couple, but I find it distasteful even listing those words, even with the use/mention distinction) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/294 "2020-09-16T20:13:49Z")
Y’know, **ZPG** (may I call you **ZPG**? Or is that too rape-y for you, and you prefer **Mrs.\_John\_Zealot**?), one problem in your narrative may be that you have dropped exactly ZERO, if you’ll pardon the expression, indications that your use of the slur was in any way an escalation from a less, errrmmm, _aggressive_ series of attempts to fend off the unwanted attentions of pre-disqualified uxorial candidates. The impression that many of us appear to have formed is that you were in the habit of turning to the slur as a _first_, rather than _last_ resort,\* and that you dismissed prematurely any possibility of a perfect gentleman merely striking up a friendship. Being unassailably polite never cost anyone anything. Perhaps if you were to regale us with the details of a typical _alleged_ harassment episode, you might be more successful in casting yourself and your actions in a less unfavorable light. \*Of course, even as a last resort, it’s problematic, since reporting a harassing fellow student to the university authorities was presumably an option, even in the 1980s. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/295 "2020-09-16T20:15:45Z")
> They’ve weaponized a word so as to make it so disarming that the word alone may protect white womanhood. What could possibly be wrong with that? Actually in way, black people weaponized it against themselves by making it such a taboo term. Also, I’m Roma. We’re not considered white by the likes of the KKK. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/296 "2020-09-16T20:20:42Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Actually in way, black people weaponized it against themselves by making it such a taboo term. Ooooof course. 🙄 And thank you for providing me with an extreme example of the sort of “they did [or are doing] it to themselves” nonsense I was trying to forestall in the “meritocracy” thread: > [@Is meritocracy overrated?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-meritocracy-overrated/817385/229): > > So your position is that the government needs to figure out a way to change the black community, not that the government needs to figure out a way to change itself? Because that’s the read I’m getting. You’re not the first person I’ve encountered making such a claim, but I don’t think it’s nearly as enlightened as you might imagine. > > It’s just one more way of saying “the problem is with the community at disadvantage: if they are disadvantaged, it’s because they are disadvantaging themselves.” It’s only slightly less disingenuous, to my view, than opining that their “culture” must value poverty. Classic racism. ETA: Had to add emoji and some additional punctuation to make it clear I’m being sarcastic on certain points, because it’s getting hard to tell in this thread. A man can only stand so much vitriolic inanity before he loses all sense, you know? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/297 "2020-09-16T20:22:14Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Actually in way, black people weaponized it against themselves by making it such a taboo term. Also, I’m Roma. We’re not considered white by the likes of the KKK. So not only the gleeful racism, but you’re blaming black people (all the hundreds of millions of them?) for this. Just face it – you’re a hateful racist. You don’t like black people. This is very, very clear in your language. Only a hateful bigot could possibly blame black people for “weaponizing” the n word. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/298 "2020-09-16T20:23:27Z")
> So what names do you call those ethnic groups to deter their advances > Yeah, which awful words do you use for Jews? Arabs? (I was going to list a couple, but I find it distasteful even listing those words, even with the use/mention distinction) I have honestly never had a Jewish man hit on me though I have a Jewish relatives and a lot of Jewish friends. They have all seemed to understand the concept of religious woman = will be grossly offended if harassed for sex. Same for the Arab, Persian, or Indian men I have encountered. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Sponge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dark_sponge/32/121_2.png) [@Dark\_Sponge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dark_Sponge)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/299 "2020-09-16T20:24:41Z")
I know our culture is on a racist hunt but I don’t actually think that is the issue here. ZPG\_Zealot hates men and used racist language as a tool to hurt them. But I suspect she has nothing against minority women. Am I right ZPG? ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/300 "2020-09-16T20:25:09Z")
I have got plenty of lovely black friends and colleagues. And other than the sexual harassers and anti-Roma bigots among them, I have never had a problem with black people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396.md?page=16)