# White Supremacy is not a rhetorical tactic, ZPG\_Zealot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396 "2020-09-12T06:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/321 "2020-09-16T23:48:05Z")
If one (or more) of them _did_ tell you that they found your usage of the term upsetting, would you consider altering your rhetoric? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/322 "2020-09-17T00:02:46Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > I’ll use whatever tools to repel a harasser possible rapist as are at my disposal. If making a man angry at you repels the man, then they weren’t planning to rape you, because being angry at a target makes you want to dominate and abuse them _more_. Congratulations, you have proven beyond any doubt that none of those men meant you ill and that you’re a hypersensitive psychopath whose paranoia regarding men is nowhere _near_ as justified as you think it is. And in all sincerity, I hope you are never put in a position to be shown what calling an _actual_ rapist infuriating names earns you. As stupid and bigoted as your misandry is, not even you deserve to be attacked. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/323 "2020-09-17T00:06:09Z")
> If one (or more) of them _did_ tell you that they found your usage of the term upsetting, would you consider altering your rhetoric? A good friend yes, that’s what friends do. Of course, it would have to be someone I trust would do the same for me. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveroptic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiveroptic/32/8257_2.png) [@Fiveroptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveroptic)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/324 "2020-09-17T00:08:00Z")
> And as far as you know, your usage of this term under these circumstances isn’t hurtful to your black friends and colleagues? > They have never mentioned it. I doubt we would still be friends if it did. I doubt they ever considered you to be their friend in the first place. In fact, I’m quite sure they have very unflattering things to say about you when you’re not around. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/325 "2020-09-17T00:08:54Z")
> If making a man angry at you repels the man, then they weren’t planning to rape you, because being angry at a target makes you want to dominate and abuse them _more_ . Congratulations, you have proven beyond any doubt that none of those men meant you ill and that you’re a hypersensitive psychopath whose paranoia regarding men is nowhere _near_ as justified as you think it is. > And in all sincerity, I hope you are never put in a position to be shown what calling an _actual_ rapist infuriating names earns you. As stupid and bigoted as your misandry is, not even you deserve to be attacked. Situations like that are why concealed carry are laws I support. I’ve survived poverty and wars. I know how to evaluate danger. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/326 "2020-09-17T00:15:47Z")
> Though i am still curious about this post. Your Jewish grandmother taught you what words, in particular? (Assuming the quote tags are not all weirded up) Mamzer and putz were the ones she used most often. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/327 "2020-09-17T00:25:33Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > > If one (or more) of them _did_ tell you that they found your usage of the term upsetting, would you consider altering your rhetoric? > > A good friend yes, that’s what friends do. Of course, it would have to be someone I trust would do the same for me. Do your friends and colleagues use hurtful (to you) terms in their speech commonly enough that reciprocity would need to be an issue? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/328 "2020-09-17T00:28:05Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > Situations like that are why concealed carry are laws I support. I’ve survived poverty and wars. I know how to evaluate danger. Assuming that _everything_ is dangerous will, indeed, protect you from danger. That’s not the same thing as being able to actually evaluate danger, though. As best I can tell, you are crappy as evaluating danger, because false positives are a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/329 "2020-09-17T00:30:59Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > > Though i am still curious about this post. Your Jewish grandmother taught you what words, in particular? > > (Assuming the quote tags are not all weirded up) > > Mamzer and putz were the ones she used most often. As I recall, mamzer (“bastard”, roughly) and putz (“penis”) aren’t really specific to any racial/ethnic group, though, so it’s not quite the same issue at play. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/330 "2020-09-17T01:21:26Z")
Are those really in the same category? Not just the lack of ethnic association, but the actual hate attached to the word itself? Are they really “filthy”? I’m pretty sure we used to have a smiley called “putz” and perhaps it’s just diluted in American usage, but it’s not even really a bad word. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/331 "2020-09-17T01:47:27Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > They have never mentioned it. “Some of my best friends are black,” huh? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/332 "2020-09-17T01:53:22Z")
Speaking as a Jew, I’d say putz is equivalent to dick. It’s rather a mild insult even if it’s not a word you say around your mother. Mamzer literally means bastard. Again, not a big insult. There is a Yiddish word for black people. Shvartzeh can be an insult depending on the usage and intent of a speaker. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/333 "2020-09-17T02:09:24Z")
So… Not even remotely equivalent, then. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/334 "2020-09-17T02:38:06Z")
Part of me wonders if this is all just some “bit” that’s gone on too long: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/mjU03P_6nbQ/hqdefault.jpg "Blazing Saddles: Up Yours!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjU03P_6nbQ) ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/335 "2020-09-17T13:03:50Z")
> Do your friends and colleagues use hurtful (to you) terms in their speech commonly enough that reciprocity would need to be an issue? Yes, it happens from time to time, particularly males and their use of the term bitch or cunt. I have told more than one guy that I if he keeps describing women they are fighting with by those terms I will be employing whatever slur they find most offensive at them, whether it’s nigger, kike, spic, etc. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/336 "2020-09-17T13:44:16Z")
I get it now, and it makes perfect sense. You’re a fucking drama queen. You love to stir up shit where ever you go. This is how you entertain yourself. Not that I believe your story: the Roma thing, the ZPG thing, getting hit on by men, the husband, the nephews - all of it is pure fucking bullshit. The truth is that you never miss the opportunity to be a be a tiresome asshole to _everyone_. It must be exhausting to be anywhere within hearing distance of you because of the constant stream of lecturing, belligerence and haranguing. I bet every “friend” you have has a completely different understand of their relationship with you. Which is to say, they can’t stand the fucking sight of you because it’s mentally draining to be around you for any period of time. This is why you post what you do. It’s attention whoring, nothing more. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/337 "2020-09-17T14:04:07Z")
You must live one hell of a boring life. Since you’re posting on the internet that rules out the Amish. Are you part of some isolated religious community? Real life is complicated, messy, and not everybody lives in cookie cutter suburbs. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/338 "2020-09-17T14:07:11Z")
I may be boring, but I’m not a liar. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/339 "2020-09-17T14:09:46Z")
Probably worse than a liar; you’re probably an adoptee. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/340 "2020-09-17T14:13:27Z")
It’s typical that when women tell the truth about their experiences misogynist men accuse them of lying because they don’t want to held accountable for their behavior. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396.md?page=18)