# White Supremacy is not a rhetorical tactic, ZPG\_Zealot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 12, 2020, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396 "2020-09-12T06:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/61 "2020-09-12T21:18:30Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > No doubt there are good travelers getting tarred with same brush as the criminals, Don’t worry - the tar is mostly water, and it will fall off in a day or two. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/62 "2020-09-12T21:20:30Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Most people in North America wouldn’t even understand this sentence. Here, “travellers” means someone on vacation or a business trip. That’s the PC term, and like many such terms tends to obfuscate the meaning. I probably should have capitalised it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/63 "2020-09-12T21:28:49Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Don’t worry - the tar is mostly water, and it will fall off in a day or two. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/64 "2020-09-12T21:42:07Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > That’s the PC term, and like many such terms tends to obfuscate the meaning. I probably should have capitalised it, though. Why is it so surprising that Americans and Europeans are bigoted against different people? ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/65 "2020-09-12T22:02:24Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Why is it so surprising that Americans and Europeans are bigoted against different people? Probably because they’re mostly bigoted against the same people. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/66 "2020-09-12T22:16:18Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Probably because they’re mostly bigoted against the same people. There’s some overlap, sure, but it’s not nearly 100%. And really, why should people in different parts of the world, with different histories, have the same prejudices? Is it just that you refuse to admit that in this specific issue, Americans are slightly better than you? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/67 "2020-09-12T22:20:25Z")
Well, he did play defensive lineman and he wrestled. So that makes him a little dangerous. And he served on a sub, so he might hurl a nuke at you if you look at him funny. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/68 "2020-09-12T22:24:23Z")
As an American, I can say that, while I’m confident that there’s some level of bigotry against Roma here, it’s not nearly on the same level as bigotry against blacks, Latin Americans, Middle Easterners, East Asians, or South Asians. Probably not even as much as the bigotry against Jews, Eastern Europeans, or Mediterranean Europeans. I can’t speak to Europe, but here, they’re far from being the most hated ethnic group. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/69 "2020-09-12T22:24:43Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Well, he did play defensive lineman and he wrestled. So that makes him a little dangerous. And he served on a sub, so he might hurl a nuke at you if you look at him funny. Don’t forget undefeated amateur heavyweight boxer, with a record of 1-0 (a single summer boxing while in college)! ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/70 "2020-09-12T22:27:17Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Is it just that you refuse to admit that in this specific issue, Americans are slightly better than you? Where did you get that idea? I think Americans are better at several things, in particular integrating immigrants. But I’d expect them to react much the same if they did have a significant population of Romany/Irish Travellers or similar living in caravans. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/71 "2020-09-12T22:39:16Z")
Another poster says she claims to be a librarian. First I’d heard of that. If she does indeed work for U of T, it’s probably as a janitor (not that there’s anything wrong with being a janitor, mind you!). ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/72 "2020-09-12T22:41:00Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Another poster says she claims to be a librarian. First I’d heard of that. To be fair, she’s also a part-time con artist. Sorry - “fortune teller”. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/73 "2020-09-12T22:55:04Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > That’s the PC term, and like many such terms tends to obfuscate the meaning. I probably should have capitalised it, though. I understand it’s a PC term but my point is that to most North Americans, the term “traveler” or “Traveler” is not a PC term, it just means a person engaged in travel. Hell, I’d never heard or read the term before reading that post; I had to extrapolate from its context, and having learned about Irish Travelers a few years ago, what it meant. People in Canada and the USA are largely unaware of the existence of Roma and Irish Traveler people. The term “Irish Traveler” means, to at least 99% of people here, a tourist or business traveler from Ireland, and “Roma” is a kind of tomato; people know the word “Gypsy” but are as likely to associate it with Stevie Nicks or fortune tellers as they are to be aware of the fact it’s an ethnic group. I don’t know why you find this hard to believe. Ethnicity and race, and thus racism, are specific to a society. I mean, how familiar are you with the racial divides to be found in Nigeria or Cambodia? ---
**Author:** ![gnarator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gnarator/32/8266_2.png) [@gnarator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarator)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/74 "2020-09-12T23:02:59Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Midwest, anyway; there’s a reason Arkansas has a minor league baseball team called the Travellers. Uh, the song? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/rbzOybjgd8g/maxresdefault.jpg ""Arkansas Traveler" by O'Connor, Daniels, Kershaw, Gimble, Clements, Spicher, Texas Shorty") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzOybjgd8g&t=51) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/75 "2020-09-12T23:03:25Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Another poster says she claims to be a librarian. First I’d heard of that. > > If she does indeed work for U of T, it’s probably as a janitor She has claimed to work somewhere in the UT System and also claimed to have some sort of authority over students in a library there. Just like everything else, exactly where in the UT System is unclear but she didn’t deny working at UT Austin when asked. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/76 "2020-09-12T23:09:39Z")
> [@gnarator](#): > > Uh, the song? The title of which, in turn, was inspired by Irish and Romani travelers in Arkansas during the late Nineteenth Century. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/77 "2020-09-12T23:35:35Z")
I’ve reconsidered my last post and it’s too late to do anything about it. Migratory Romani and Irish were in Arkansas when the song was composed but probably had nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/78 "2020-09-12T23:36:54Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > …to most North Americans, the term “traveler” or “Traveler” is not a PC term, it just means a person engaged in travel. Hell, I’d never heard or read the term before reading that post; It was Law and Order Criminal Intent that I first heard of Irish Travelers. I actually thought the show was being “PC” and making up an ethnic group to avoid disparaging Roma. I didn’t know it was an actual group. They were pretty crooked in the episode. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/79 "2020-09-13T01:54:36Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > She has claimed to work somewhere in the UT System and also claimed to have some sort of authority over students in a library there. Just like everything else, exactly where in the UT System is unclear but she didn’t deny working at UT Austin when asked. Yes, she has said that she works in the library many times. She also used to have much worse grasp of English than she now has. She used to sound like she was just off the boat. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2020, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396/80 "2020-09-13T04:54:25Z")
> [@Are accusations of raicsm/sexism/bigotry abused?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/220): > > I consider you to be the most dangerous poster on the board. You’re smart, patient, affable, and make compelling emotion based arguments, and you go unchallenged when wrong. You appear to be open minded but you are not. You are pleasant to a fault in a “bless his heart” sort of way. People want to believe you even when you present horseshit like that pro-publica article. That’s actually spot on. Well observed! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-supremacy-is-not-a-rhetorical-tactic-zpg-zealot/920396.md?page=5)