# White teen fatally stabbed by black teen at track meet; racists come out of the woodwork **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 3, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593 "2025-04-03T23:37:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2026, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/221 "2026-06-08T23:12:07Z")
Here is a Texas news source with info on the case, and a day-by-day summary. > **[Karmelo Anthony trial: Defense rests; jury to begin deliberating Tuesday](https://www.fox4news.com/news/karmelo-anthony-frisco-track-meet-stabbing-austin-metcalf.amp)** > > The high-profile Karmelo Anthony murder trial in Collin County is nearing an end after the defense rested its case. Jurors will begin deliberating following closing arguments for the fatal Frisco track meet stabbing of Austin Metcalf. Here is what it said about jury selection: > 12-person jury with six alternates was finalized Wednesday afternoon in a Collin County courtroom. The selection process resulted in a panel of 11 women and seven men. There are no Black jurors. > > The final phase of jury selection grew tense when defense attorneys lodged a formal objection during the second round of strikes. The defense argued that the state improperly struck down three potential Black female jurors who were “similarly situated” to a white female juror allowed to remain on the panel. > > Prosecutors strongly denied that race played a factor. Assistant District Attorney Dewey Mitchell clarified that all three women were struck because they listed their occupations as educators. Because the fatal incident occurred at a school-sponsored athletic function involving school-aged children, prosecutors seemingly did not want traditional educators on the panel. > > State District Judge John Roach Jr. ultimately sided with the prosecution, allowing the strikes to stand. While one educator was successfully seated on the 12-person jury, she is an esthetician at a trade school and does not work with high school-aged children. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/222 "2026-06-09T00:03:55Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > > > Do we know if the defense attorney did so? > > I can’t be 100% sure, but the defense attorneys made a big stink outside of the courtroom, so I assume they at least made an objection within it. I believe I read (possibly in this thread?) that they made a Batson challenge. Which is a fancy way of saying they alleged that the prosecution intentionally struck potential jurors on the basis of race. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/223 "2026-06-09T00:08:22Z")
Has there ever been a guilty verdict that was overturned solely because of the racial composition of the jury? (such as all-non-black) I’m sure there have been appeals about that but don’t recall any successful one. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/224 "2026-06-09T00:13:44Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Has there ever been a guilty verdict that was overturned solely because of the racial composition of the jury? Absolutely. This was in 2019. > **[Flowers v. Mississippi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_v._Mississippi)** > > Flowers v. Mississippi, No. 17–9572, 588 U.S. 284 (2019), is a United States Supreme Court decision regarding the use of peremptory challenges to remove black jurors during a series of Mississippi criminal trials for Curtis Flowers, a black man convicted on murder charges. The Supreme Court held in Batson v. Kentucky that the use of peremptory challenges solely on the basis of race is unconstitutional. This case examined whether the Mississippi Supreme Court erred in how it applied Batson to t... Flowers was convicted of murder, but it was overturned due to an improper jury racial makeup, and the state dropped the charges because they decided it would be impossible to convict. And this other decision was made just a week-and-a-half ago. This ruling referenced that Flowers case. > **[Supreme Court rules for Black death row prisoner from Mississippi over racial...](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/supreme-court-rules-for-black-death-row-prisoner-from-mississippi-over-racial-bias-in-makeup-of-jury)** > > By a 5-4 vote, the justices sided with Terry Pitchford, who was sentenced to death for his role in the killing of a grocery store owner. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/225 "2026-06-09T00:17:48Z")
Ah okay. In that case, it may actually be in the best interests of the defendant for the jury to be non-black, if they feel his odds are much better at winning at appeal rather than being acquitted. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/226 "2026-06-09T00:33:40Z")
It’s not the jury being all-non-black or even (as in some cases) all-white that creates a path to an appeal based on the composition of the jury. Rather, the issue, if there is one, is the prosecution striking potential jurors specifically on the basis of race. The defense must, in turn, at least allege that the prosecution did so to have a chance at appeal. If the defense just lets the prosecution put together an all-white jury or, as here, exclude all the black potential jurors without objection to try and get a do-over, it won’t work. Upthread I mentioned the Batson challenge. The eponymous case being: > **[Batson v. Kentucky](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batson_v._Kentucky)** > > Batson v. Kentucky, 476 U.S. 79 (1986), is a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court ruling that a prosecutor's use of a peremptory challenge in a criminal case—the dismissal of jurors without stating a valid cause for doing so—may not be used to exclude jurors based solely on their race. The Court ruled that this practice violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The case gave rise to the term Batson challenge, an objection to a peremptory challenge based ... What’s much more common and all-too-viable is for prosecutors to strike black potential jurors, but then, when challenged by the defense, out forward some perfunctory alternative explanation. In reality, it’s much easier for the prosecution to strike jurors on the basis of race than it is for the defense to prove that they did. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/227 "2026-06-09T00:39:38Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > It’s not the jury being all-non-black or even (as in some cases) all-white that creates a path to an appeal based on the composition of the jury. Rather, the issue, if there is one, is the prosecution striking potential jurors specifically on the basis of race. Yes, there is no legal “racial quota”, so the makeup **itself** is not enough to appeal on, but if what led to that makeup was improper and racially motivated, then it can be appealed and has at times been overturned. I guess that’s a question of semantics. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/228 "2026-06-09T00:43:02Z")
It’s more than semantics. It’s a lot harder to prove that jurors were excluded on the basis of race than it is that all jurors of a particular race were excluded. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/229 "2026-06-09T04:44:07Z")
It’s not an all-white jury. I heard that about half the jury is “non-white” although none of them are black/African-American. Most likely, they are Hispanic, or possibly of Asian descent. As for not seating blacks, I wonder if they were concerned that black jurors who voted to convict would be in danger from KA’s worshippers (and let’s face it, that’s almost what they are at this point). ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/230 "2026-06-09T11:54:32Z")
Yes, I’m absolutely sure the prosecution struck the Black jurors in order to protect them. Jesus, what a bunch of crap. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/231 "2026-06-09T12:44:07Z")
Y’know, @nearwildheaven , you’ve already told us that you’re a racist idiot. We remember. You don’t need to keep on telling us again and again. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/232 "2026-06-09T12:50:42Z")
A lot of people still don’t understand that Blacks can slaughter each other carte blanche, but America’s racist Right will not tolerate the death of even one white person even if it be in self-defense. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/233 "2026-06-09T13:04:42Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > As for not seating blacks, I wonder if they were concerned that black jurors who voted to convict would be in danger from KA’s worshippers (and let’s face it, that’s almost what they are at this point). _ **If** _ that was the case, that would be grounds for a successful appeal due to prosecutor misconduct… ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/234 "2026-06-09T14:34:11Z")
Yeah. “Worshipers”, wtf. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/235 "2026-06-09T14:47:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Y’know, @nearwildheaven , you’ve already told us that you’re a racist idiot. Oh, this is the pit? Damn. If I’d have known, I’d have said that myself! ---
**Author:** ![Calder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@Calder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calder)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/236 "2026-06-09T15:50:13Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > > [@Calder](#): > > > > agree with Holmes’ point in principle, but applying it here reverses what the quote actually means. > > I take the quote to mean that people in stressful situations often make rash decisions they wouldn’t otherwise make. You’re putting too much emphasis on the knife. If we apply the principle the way you’re using it — that a defendant deserves extra consideration simply because they acted rashly under stress while using a weapon in a confrontation — then that would apply to every defendant who escalated a situation and then panicked. At that point, we wouldn’t even have a meaningful category of crimes of passion, because any impulsive act could be excused as “stress” that the defendant created themselves. Holmes’ quote only makes sense when someone is reacting to another person’s weapon. When the defendant is the one who introduced the weapon, the threat dynamic is reversed — the armed person has more control over the encounter and less objective reason to fear than the unarmed one. That’s why the Holmes quote doesn’t map onto cases where the defendant introduced the weapon. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/237 "2026-06-09T15:52:09Z")
It doesn’t have to do with actually having a fucking weapon you dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Calder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e99b99/32.png) [@Calder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calder)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/238 "2026-06-09T16:08:04Z")
Christ, at least skim the quote before you start flinging profanity. Holmes was talking about reacting to **someone else’s** weapon. If you think that has “nothing to do with a weapon,” then you’re arguing with your own imagination, not me. I’m bowing out. The moment this got moved to the Pit the signal‑to‑noise ratio dropped to zero. If people can’t be bothered to read the quote before screaming, there’s nothing left to discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/239 "2026-06-09T16:40:33Z")
Again, from the facts as they’re currently known, we don’t actually know who escalated how much. It might yet be that the others in the tent had already escalated to a point that he might have been expected to not be acting rationally at the time he drew the knife. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2026, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593/240 "2026-06-09T19:17:48Z")
> [@Calder](#): > > If we apply the principle the way you’re using it — that a defendant deserves extra consideration simply because they acted rashly under stress while using a weapon in a confrontation — As a juror, I would absolutely consider the defendant’s state of mind if it was brought to my attention by the defense or the prosecution. Every defendant has a right to an impartial jury made up people who will fairly determine the facts of the case. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/white-teen-fatally-stabbed-by-black-teen-at-track-meet-racists-come-out-of-the-woodwork/1016593.md?page=13)