# Whitehouse releases Obama long form birth-certificate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 27, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889 "2011-04-27T13:47:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/21 "2011-04-27T14:40:02Z")
So this means that Trump will release his tax returns, right? I mean he said as much. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/22 "2011-04-27T14:41:03Z")
Funny Headline of the Day: “Birther Massacre at the Long Form Corral?” ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/23 "2011-04-27T14:41:44Z")
I never realized his mother’s first name was Stanley… But yeah, I don’t think the crackpots who have invested so much in this story are going to back down now, while others will declare “victory” like Trump. They shouldn’t have bothered. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/24 "2011-04-27T14:43:22Z")
This is about right wing crazies and bigots. Those conditions still exist. The long form wont be long enough. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/25 "2011-04-27T14:43:29Z")
When have CTer types ever let the facts get in the way of a good story?? It won’t make any difference. Still, maybe the Birthers will STFU about this for a while now, as they feverishly try and spin out a new tale (or perhaps tail) of intrigue, cover-up and conspiracy…perhaps involving aliens, Jews and Communist plots, and finally tying it in rather firmly with the moon landing hoax, JFK assassination plots and magic bullets, and of course 9/11… -XT ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/26 "2011-04-27T14:49:08Z")
Does it not give anyone pause that Bill Ayers’s cousin used to be a bookbinder? And went on “vacation” last year in Hawaii? ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/27 "2011-04-27T14:49:47Z")
And the PDF format they released it in LOOKS really bad – many of the words have white backgrounds that contrast with the green pattern of the form itself, making it look like the words were crudely pasted in. I’ve seen this effect on a number of PDF files I’ve created from scans, so I know it happens all the time, but I bet there are going to be people in news article comments and the like complaining that it’s an “obvious” fake because of that. They should have released it as a straight scan instead of converting to PDF. Unless this is part of the plan! Intriguing… ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/28 "2011-04-27T14:51:20Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > The actual birthcertificate is in a bound book in some Hawaiian gov’t office, what we’re looking at is a photocopy signed by the State Registrar since Obama still can’t legally remove the original. The boxes on the left hand side are the persons Birth Certificate one page over from Obama’s. The framing is just the paper it was photocopied on. It’s obviously in book form with a frame over the original document signed by his mother and doctor. There is something to the left that is blocked by the screen and it’s not the certificate next to his in the book. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/29 "2011-04-27T14:56:06Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > What a dumb move, he just gave an out to people like Trump to move on from an issue that would completely sink them in a general election while at the same time allowing him to claim victory. I agree with this. Birthers will never, ever be convinced even if God himself appeared in the skies and proclaimed Obama was born in Hawaii. You could give them a time machine and it wouldn’t help. Those people will never, ever vote for Obama. There is zero reason to appease them on this count or even try. What the birthers did do was paint their side of the political spectrum as having a fair number of crackpots. Yes, all sides have crackpots but these folk are vocal, getting press time and a serious candidate for president was toeing-that-line with them. Obama should have let the loony fringe on the other side rant and rave. It could only help push voters his way. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/30 "2011-04-27T14:56:26Z")
I feel disappointed about this - it’s been such fun mocking the birthers, and I have to think that their hysteria was politically good for Obama. I just looked at the Yahoo page linked in the OP, and there are over 22,000 comments so far. When it gets that high, you have to wonder what’s the point of commenting. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/31 "2011-04-27T14:56:37Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Does it not give anyone pause that Bill Ayers’s cousin used to be a bookbinder? And went on “vacation” last year in Hawaii? OMG, you’re through the looking glass! Or no. No, it doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/32 "2011-04-27T14:57:41Z")
> [@Skammer](#): > > I never realized his mother’s first name was Stanley… Her father was named Stanley and wanted a son. When he didn’t get one, he somehow prevailed upon his wife to name their daughter Stanley. I don’t think I’ll ever understand that one. > [@Magiver](#): > > There is something to the left that is blocked by the screen and it’s not the certificate next to his in the book. That’s the part of the form that says “Don’t write in this space unless this birth certificate is a forgery.” ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/33 "2011-04-27T14:58:31Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s obviously in book form with a frame over the original document signed by his mother and doctor. There is something to the left that is blocked by the screen and it’s not the certificate next to his in the book. Looks like it is to me. The columns on Obama’s certificates are numbered anyways, and none are missing, so whatever the boxes are to the left, they aren’t part of Obama’s information. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/34 "2011-04-27T14:59:07Z")
Well, it’s _mostly_ over. The fine journalists at WND have the tenacity to keep with it despite the president’s publicity stunt: [ > [@](#): > > **If** the document proves valid, it could answer the questions raised by those who have alleged he was not actually born in Hawaii. But it also could prove his ineligibility because of its references to his father. Some of the cases challenging Obama have explained that he was a dual citizen through his father at his birth, and they contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born citizens. > > … > > “We’re gratified that our work has begun to pay off,” [Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND] said. "The certificate of live birth is an absolutely vital foundation for determining constitutional eligibility of any president. We look forward to reviewing it like so many other Americans do at this late date. **But it is important to remember there are still dozens of other questions concerning this question of eligibility that need to be resolved to assure what has become a very skeptical public concerning Barack Obama’s parentage, his adoption, his citizenship status throughout his life and why he continues to cultivate a culture of secrecy around his life."** (_emphasis added)_ ]([WorldNetDaily](http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292165)) ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/35 "2011-04-27T14:59:12Z")
I wonder what happened to Donald and his investigators turning up “interesting things” in the birth certificate review?? Do we get to see the results now??? p.s. Trump is a douche ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/36 "2011-04-27T15:01:14Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Her father was named Stanley and wanted a son. When he didn’t get one, he somehow prevailed upon his wife to name their daughter Stanley. I don’t think I’ll ever understand that one. You can give a boy’s name to a girl in the USA? I dont think so. But you can in Kenya. And the Obama Administration has made every effort not to release Obama’s mother birth certificate. How come? What do they have to hide? ---
**Author:** ![BigDadWolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aeb1de/32.png) [@BigDadWolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDadWolf)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/37 "2011-04-27T15:03:08Z")
> [@Daddypants](#): > > Trump is taking credit for the reveal. From the article on [cnn.com](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/27/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1), “Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Trump said, “I have accomplished something nobody else has accomplished.”” > > I don’t think this will shut the birthers up. Allowing Trump to claim he accomplished this is yet another reason I find the timing to be questionable politically. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/38 "2011-04-27T15:03:43Z")
You call that a long form birth certificate? Looks nothing like a real one would look like. To be sure, you need to look at the Complete Extra Addendum of Live Birth for actual proof. Why won’t Obama release it? What is he hiding? ---
**Author:** ![Acid\_Lamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Acid\_Lamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acid_Lamp)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/39 "2011-04-27T15:03:59Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I agree with this. > > Birthers will never, ever be convinced even if God himself appeared in the skies and proclaimed Obama was born in Hawaii. You could give them a time machine and it wouldn’t help. > > Those people will never, ever vote for Obama. There is zero reason to appease them on this count or even try. > > What the birthers did do was paint their side of the political spectrum as having a fair number of crackpots. Yes, all sides have crackpots but these folk are vocal, getting press time and a serious candidate for president was toeing-that-line with them. > > Obama should have let the loony fringe on the other side rant and rave. It could only help push voters his way. Got to disagree. This was a good move on the WH’s part. The problem with crap like the birther thing is that it has a way of becoming a meme in a manner that important issues do not. It sticks in the back of people’s minds and rots there. This should shut up all but the looniest of the loons, and THAT will paint them more brightly for what they are than ever before. ---
**Author:** ![yanceylebeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yanceylebeef/32/12290_2.png) [@yanceylebeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yanceylebeef)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889/40 "2011-04-27T15:05:35Z")
Personally I think it’s brilliant. This will wind the crazies up to eleven, and people will finally see how they will not be happy until the President releases documentation that his is not, indeed, black. Obama is the greatest troll ever! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whitehouse-releases-obama-long-form-birth-certificate/579889.md?page=3)