# Whiteness and Capitalism Go Hand In Hand **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 10, 2026, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567 "2026-01-10T17:45:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/41 "2026-01-11T18:53:30Z")
In other words - made a pointless sidetrack and didn’t address the _actual_ point. Defensiveness , Denial , Diversion , and Fragility. I’ve hit the full Whiteness quadrifecta, it seems. > [@Babale](#): > > Sorry, I forgot that numbers were a racist tool of oppression. Whiteness loves numbers because they let you talk about inequality without talking about people. I’m doing the opposite. Numbers aren’t racist. Dismissing people until they’re _reduced_ to numbers is. Silly me for trying to sink to that level. Look at how all the rest of my quite substantial first post has been blithely ignored while y’all played Calculon. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/42 "2026-01-11T18:53:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I doubt that _surprises_ literally _anyone_. Since no one questioned Dribble’s _claim_, only the incomplete statistics he used to make it. So _that’s_ what you’re arguing about? Holy shit. Like "we believe you but we’re going to nitpick that math? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/43 "2026-01-11T18:59:14Z")
Well, this is going well. Yeah, I do think whiteness and capitalism go hand in hand, certainly in this country. A great deal of our nation’s wealth was built off the backs of people of color, and people of color have been systemically left out of profiting from the system disproportionately to white people. No, I don’t think everything is about economics and not race. There’s a lot of class stratification and there’s a lot of racism, the latter of which results in greater class stratification for people of color. “The problem is really capitalism” sounds a lot to me like “I don’t see color.” Capitalism creates problems for everyone\*\* but it creates disproportionately more problems for people of color. \*\*Well, most everyone! Obviously some small number benefit greatly ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/44 "2026-01-11T19:01:32Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > So _that’s_ what you’re arguing about? Well, no, that’s what someone originally pointed out which got Dribble’s panties in such a twist that he accused them of being Bezos bootlicking white supremacists. What I am doing is laughing at Dribble’s hysterical and overly racialized overreaction. I mean, look at the title _he requested_ this thread to have; I’ve never seen someone higher on their own farts. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/45 "2026-01-11T19:04:15Z")
_Do_ crow some more about how ad hominems are a distraction from losing arguments, Babs. It is very entertaining. > [@Babale](#): > > I mean, look at the title _he requested_ this thread to have Literally just paraphrasing my first post. My alternative suggestion about White Fragility is also very much still appropriate, though. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/46 "2026-01-11T19:11:45Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > My alternative suggestion about White Fragility is also very much still appropriate, though. What kind of fragility is it when someone points out that your listed stats don’t display what you claim they display without additional context and rather than simply providing that context you have a meltdown about how everyone else is a racist? If there’s no name for it yet, maybe they can call it Dribble Fragility. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/47 "2026-01-11T19:15:05Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Well, no, that’s what someone originally pointed out which got Dribble’s panties in such a twist that he accused them of being Bezos bootlicking white supremacists. When you realize that 24/7, Dribble is looking for a fight, it makes total sense. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/48 "2026-01-11T19:25:34Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > When you realize that 24/7, Dribble is looking for a fight, it makes total sense. How would you know, you supposedly have me on ignore… But still apparently follow me enough to push the Angry Black Man narrative, I see. > [@Babale](#): > > What kind of fragility is it when someone points out that your listed stats don’t display what you claim they display without additional context “Additional context” that apparently - according to you - _we all already had_ but that seemingly doesn’t count when the person assuming the context is talking about Whiteness… Asking for context wasn’t the White fragility. Refusing to accept the context once it’s given, while insisting the problem is still “the stats,” is _textbook_ defensive derailment. Right out of the [Whiteness Playbook](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_defensiveness), even. If the goal were understanding, we wouldn’t still be arguing about arithmetic instead of Whiteness. Aaah, who am I kidding - _you’d_ still be arguing. You don’t think Whiteness is real. Plus the personal animus, of course. > [@Babale](#): > > If there’s no name for it yet, maybe they can call it Dribble Fragility. Caw! Caw! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/49 "2026-01-11T19:47:39Z")
Looks to me like another season of the **MrDibble** , Fran, and **Babale** show. Think I’ll pass. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2026, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/50 "2026-01-11T20:52:37Z")
See, and i felt there’s this really big excluded group of Amazon employees, who are neither management nor physical labourers. Amazon hires a ton of programmers, including a few people i square dance with, so that’s the jobs I’m most familiar with. They are a shitty employer for programmers, being generally a shitty place to work. But those employees aren’t injured at anything like the rate of their drivers, nor their warehouse workers Having seen no stats, I’ll just say I’d guess that Black people are underrepresented in thr programming jobs, too. (Although there are certainly Asian Americans there.) Fyi, Amazon has high worker’s comp injury rates compared to other companies with people doing similar work. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/51 "2026-01-12T04:55:58Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I’ll just say I’d guess that Black people are underrepresented in thr programming jobs, too. (Although there are certainly Asian Americans there.) From @hajario’s link. Programmers are Corporate. Yes, the Asian-American representation there is very high. | | Workforce Avg. | Field & Customer Support | Corporate Employees | People Managers | Senior Leaders | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Male | 55.2% | 51.7% | 67.2% | 69.2% | 76.9% | | Female | 44.8% | 48.3% | 32.8% | 30.8% | 23.1% | | White | 30.2% | 26.7% | 44.6% | 53.1% | 66.4% | | Black | 28.2% | 32.7% | 8.5% | 12% | 5.5% | | LatinX | 23.6% | 27.2% | 8.7% | 10.9% | 4.5% | | Asian | 13.2% | 8.2% | 34.4% | 19.9% | 21.5% | | Multiracial | 3.3% | 3.3% | 3.2% | 3.3% | 1.8% | | Native American | 1.5% | 1.7% | 0.6% | 0.7% | 0.2% | ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/52 "2026-01-12T04:59:35Z")
That table is really helpful; thank you. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2026, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567/53 "2026-01-12T05:04:08Z")
So, I thought this was worth pointing out - earlier I said (my emphasis) > [@MrDibble](#): > > racialisation has been one of the most effective ways to **differentially value** , devalue, and discard those assets While both warehouse workers and programmers are very much exploitable drones to Amazon, it’s interesting that there’s a differentiation happening there along racial lines. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whiteness-and-capitalism-go-hand-in-hand/1026567.md?page=2)