# "Whites don't kill whites..." Shooting at Kentucky Kroger supermarket **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 25, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496 "2018-10-25T13:53:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TommyzNR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@TommyzNR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyzNR)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/21 "2018-10-25T18:27:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m okay with the idea of “whites don’t kill whites”. If he had just stuck with that, it would have been fine. But he went wrong when he followed it up with “whites kill blacks instead”. I did not see this in the article “whites kill blacks instead” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/22 "2018-10-25T18:46:02Z")
> [@TommyzNR](#): > > This is an interesting conundrum for the late arriving white citizen, armed with a civilian gun. He was assured by the bad guy that his life was not in danger, therefore, he cannot claim self-defense if he shoots the said bad guy. We all want him to pull the trigger and rid the world of this real piece of work, but the late arriving white citizen, armed with a civilian gun may or may not be shielded by the laws of his state if he does so. Now it is up to him to decide if his understanding of the law protects him from prosecution. Many states do have defense-of-a-third-party laws, but I’d suggest that, as much as a general rule can be ascribed to the whole country, one faces greater legal peril intervening if someone else is in danger than if oneself is in danger. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/23 "2018-10-25T18:50:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But this guy explicitly said he decides to murder people based on their race. No no no, that’s not true at all. He said he decides which people _not_ to murder based on their race. That’s totally different. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/24 "2018-10-25T19:06:07Z")
As expected, [details are starting to trickle out](http://www.wdrb.com/story/39355392/accused-kroger-shooter-had-history-of-mental-illness-and-racist-comments). > [@](#): > > The man charged with shooting and killing two people at a Jeffersontown Kroger had a history of mental problems and racist language and threats, according to court records. > > In 2009, Bush’s father said his son got angry and said, “Tonight might be black death,” according to court records. It is unclear from the father’s narrative whether the comment was made in a racial context. > > He also called his ex-wife racist slurs, according to court records. > > Records also show that a mental inquest warrant was taken out on Gregory Bush in a 2009 domestic assault case and he was taken to Central State hospital. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/25 "2018-10-25T19:10:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Assuming MPSIMS because it’s a late-breaking event. > > [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kentucky-shooting/two-dead-in-kentucky-supermarket-shooting-police-idUSKCN1MY2TT](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kentucky-shooting/two-dead-in-kentucky-supermarket-shooting-police-idUSKCN1MY2TT) > > A white man walked into a Kroger and shot two black patrons (one was in the parking lot). A late arriving white citizen, armed with a civilian gun, confronted the shooter as he was leaving. The account from the son of the armed citizen (the “armed man” in the account is the shooter): > > “He (the armed man) said, ‘please don’t shoot and I won’t shoot you,’ whites don’t kill whites,” > > Whites don’t kill whites, said the shooter, after shooting two random black people. > > This is America. Which part is America? The crazy guy who gunned down some random citizens, seemingly because of race and, you know, he’s crazy? The late arriving guy who shot back at the suspect, causing him to flee the scene? The two black patrons shot randomly at a market? Maybe the cops who will make the arrest later this afternoon, perhaps accidentally beating the shit out of him when he resists? The jury that will sentence the crazy asshole to a long prison sentence? Perhaps the large bunk-mate who will later make him squeal like a pig? Maybe the folks who will come together to show support for the two killed? What part of this is America to you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/26 "2018-10-25T19:29:29Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Which part is America? The crazy guy who gunned down some random citizens, seemingly because of race and, you know, he’s crazy? The late arriving guy who shot back at the suspect, causing him to flee the scene? The two black patrons shot randomly at a market? Maybe the cops who will make the arrest later this afternoon, perhaps accidentally beating the shit out of him when he resists? The jury that will sentence the crazy asshole to a long prison sentence? Perhaps the large bunk-mate who will later make him squeal like a pig? Maybe the folks who will come together to show support for the two killed? > > What part of this is America to you? All of it, and more! ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/27 "2018-10-25T19:31:05Z")
Exactly. Which makes it kind of ridiculous to point at just a crazy nut who shoots some innocents for whatever reason and say ‘This is America’, no? ---
**Author:** ![TommyzNR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@TommyzNR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyzNR)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/28 "2018-10-25T19:46:24Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Exactly. Which makes it kind of ridiculous to point at just a crazy nut who shoots some innocents for whatever reason and say ‘This is America’, no? Maybe the title of the thread should have been “Armed bystander stops mass shooting with civilian gun” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/29 "2018-10-25T19:58:32Z")
> [@TommyzNR](#): > > This is an interesting conundrum for the late arriving white citizen, armed with a civilian gun. He was assured by the bad guy that his life was not in danger, therefore, he cannot claim self-defense if he shoots the said bad guy. We all want him to pull the trigger and rid the world of this real piece of work, but the late arriving white citizen, armed with a civilian gun may or may not be shielded by the laws of his state if he does so. Now it is up to him to decide if his understanding of the law protects him from prosecution. You’re allowed to claim self-defense when you’re protecting a third person. I’m white. But if I encounter a person shooting black people, I can shoot him even if I know he won’t choose me as a target. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/30 "2018-10-25T20:03:10Z")
> [@TommyzNR](#): > > I did not see this in the article “whites kill blacks instead” If you start shooting people and choose to not shoot white people then you’re shooting non-white people. Or do we need Venn diagrams? ---
**Author:** ![TommyzNR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@TommyzNR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyzNR)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/31 "2018-10-25T20:11:40Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > If you start shooting people and choose to not shoot white people then you’re shooting non-white people. > > Or do we need Venn diagrams? I get that, but you put it in quotes. In English that tells the reader that he said it rather than the fact that the author implied it from the story. Where does that leave Asians and Hispanics, etc. Is there a symbol for air quotes? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/32 "2018-10-25T20:27:58Z")
> [@TommyzNR](#): > > Maybe the title of the thread should have been “Armed bystander stops mass shooting with civilian gun” …the thread title is an exact quote from the son of the man who encountered the gunman in this incident. Its the quote that made the reporter pause during the interview, it was so shocking. It is an entirely appropriate thread title. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/33 "2018-10-25T21:32:53Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Exactly. Which makes it kind of ridiculous to point at just a crazy nut who shoots some innocents for whatever reason and say ‘This is America’, no? I think his point is that this horrible situation is nearly uniquely American. The other stuff you bring up doesn’t really matter because none of it would have happened if the “crazy nut who shoots some innocents” for racial reasons was not able to do so. It is America’s homegrown racism, lack of proper (mental) health care, and ubiquity of guns that made this entire thing possible. At least, that’s what I would mean if I said “This is America.” I won’t, though, because I prefer saying “this is racism,” and the reason why I want us to do more about it. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/34 "2018-10-25T21:35:35Z")
> [@TommyzNR](#): > > He was assured by the bad guy that his life was not in danger, therefore, he cannot claim self-defense if he shoots the said bad guy. Not sure a reasonable person would trust the word of a guy shooting up a parking lot. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/35 "2018-10-25T21:44:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Assuming MPSIMS because it’s a late-breaking event. > > [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kentucky-shooting/two-dead-in-kentucky-supermarket-shooting-police-idUSKCN1MY2TT](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kentucky-shooting/two-dead-in-kentucky-supermarket-shooting-police-idUSKCN1MY2TT) > > A white man walked into a Kroger and shot two black patrons (one was in the parking lot). A late arriving white citizen, armed with a civilian gun, confronted the shooter as he was leaving. The account from the son of the armed citizen (the “armed man” in the account is the shooter): > > “He (the armed man) said, ‘please don’t shoot and I won’t shoot you,’ whites don’t kill whites,” > > Whites don’t kill whites, said the shooter, after shooting two random black people. > > This is America. No, it is not. It is one guy, a paranoid schizophrenic, who went off his meds. Get a grip. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/36 "2018-10-25T22:07:05Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I think his point is that this horrible situation is nearly uniquely American. The other stuff you bring up doesn’t really matter because none of it would have happened if the “crazy nut who shoots some innocents” for racial reasons was not able to do so. > > It is America’s homegrown racism, lack of proper (mental) health care, and ubiquity of guns that made this entire thing possible. > > At least, that’s what I would mean if I said “This is America.” I won’t, though, because I prefer saying “this is racism,” and the reason why I want us to do more about it. Whoa…you think that only in America folks are killed randomly (or not so randomly) because of race?? Seriously? That’s such a ridiculous statement that I really have to check to see if you are serious about that, or perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you are getting at. ---
**Author:** ![Disheavel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e274bd/32.png) [@Disheavel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disheavel)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/37 "2018-10-25T22:22:38Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > No, it is not. It is one guy, a paranoid schizophrenic, who went off his meds. Get a grip. You missed the parts about having access to a gun and having previously been arrested for assault and having previously made threatening remarks. In the mortal words of Full Metal Jacket: \>Get some! Get some! Yeah. Get some! Get some! Get some! \> \>Private Joker: \>How can you shoot women and children? \>Door Gunner: \>Easy… you don’t lead 'em so much. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/38 "2018-10-25T22:44:06Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Exactly. Which makes it kind of ridiculous to point at just a crazy nut who shoots some innocents for whatever reason and say ‘This is America’, no? This is America because a guy with a history of mental problems was able to get a gun. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/39 "2018-10-25T23:02:11Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Whoa…you think that only in America folks are killed randomly (or not so randomly) because of race?? Seriously? That’s such a ridiculous statement that I really have to check to see if you are serious about that, or perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you are getting at. …what is it exactly are you confused about? (Warning, contains disturbing imagery) "This is America." [Its a song that addresses gun violence. It addresses mass shootings. It addresses racism and discrimination against black Americans.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_America_(song)) The reference fits perfectly for this thread. This \*is \*America. We don’t have an epidemic of mass shootings in my country (NZ). We don’t have an epidemic of gun violence in my country: our police force aren’t even routinely armed. And the racism in our country is an entirely different type of racism. Do you not understand that what the song talks about is a uniquely American experience? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/40 "2018-10-25T23:18:07Z")
No big deal here; just a teeny-tiny story. Happens all the time. Nothing to worry about. After all, this is America. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496.md?page=3)