# "Whites don't kill whites..." Shooting at Kentucky Kroger supermarket **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 25, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496 "2018-10-25T13:53:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/81 "2018-10-30T08:02:45Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > That’s even more worrisome. If you are suggesting that the _need_ to own a gun is stronger than the needs of non-alcoholics and non-stoners, do you not see a wee problem there? I’m simply suggesting that not everyone has “a much stronger desire to get high or drunk than they do to own a firearm”. I don’t see a problem there and I’m not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/82 "2018-10-30T08:04:08Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > It probably depends. What happens to the non-firearm homicide death toll? If giving up my RKBA saves ~4,000 lives I’d at least entertain the idea. If giving up my RKBA just ensures that 4,000 people are stabbed / beaten to death rather than shot, I wouldn’t be particularly interested. [According to this page,](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?name_desc=false) in 2016 the overall homicide rate in Australia was .94 per 100,000.\* Pre-NFA, in 1995, the homicide rate in Australia was 1.80, so a drop of just under half. I’d say that’s pretty indicative. I will note, in the same period on that site, the US homicide rate also dropped, but to a lesser extent, by about a third (8.11 to 5.35). ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/83 "2018-10-30T08:16:42Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > [According to this page,](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?name_desc=false) in 2016 the overall homicide rate in Australia was .94 per 100,000.\* Pre-NFA, in 1995, the homicide rate in Australia was 1.80, so a drop of just under half. I’d say that’s pretty indicative. > I will note, in the same period on that site, the US homicide rate also dropped, but to a lesser extent, by about a third (8.11 to 5.35). So we could abolish the RKBA and reduce homicides by 48% or not abolish the RKBA and reduce homicides by 33%? Yeah, I think I’ll go with the second option. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/84 "2018-10-30T08:22:27Z")
[Percentage of homicides by cause of death in Australia](http://www.crimestats.aic.gov.au/NHMP/) - 13% by firearms. (2013-2014) [Cause of death in American homicides](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm) - 73% by firearms. (2015) Note from the second site: the 15% difference that you dismiss is 2668.95 deaths in 2015. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/85 "2018-10-30T08:24:20Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’m simply suggesting that not everyone has “a much stronger desire to get high or drunk than they do to own a firearm”. I don’t see a problem there and I’m not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. You suggested that [some] people have a higher desire to own a gun than [some] of those who want a drink or to get stoned. And you still don’t see a problem here? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/86 "2018-10-30T08:26:42Z")
I’ll kindly suggest that gun numbers and gun policy might be a hijack and perhaps ought to be moved to another thread. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/87 "2018-10-30T08:29:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ll kindly suggest that gun numbers and gun policy might be a hijack and perhaps ought to be moved to another thread. Rightee-O. Goodness knows there’s no shortage of other threads! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/88 "2018-10-30T08:46:32Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > You suggested that [some] people have a higher desire to own a gun than [some] of those who want a drink or to get stoned. > > And you still don’t see a problem here? No, I don’t, and you are (for the third time) mis-stating what I said. I didn’t say anything about “those who want a drink or to get stoned”. You made up that bit. **asahi** and I were talking about “people” and “everyone” (or, well, not everyone). ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/89 "2018-10-30T08:57:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > The shooter’s name AFAICT is [Gregory Alan Bush](https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/suspect-accused-of-deadly-kroger-shooting-held-on-5m-bond/417-607892998). All the stories I have found say that the shootings were “random”, which might mean just that he didn’t know the victims personally, and that they don’t know his motive. So maybe he was shooting black people at random. > > No doubt we will learn more subsequently. > > Regards, > Shodan Can’t believe he was allowed bail. ---
**Author:** ![a\_dudes\_thought\_s](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@a\_dudes\_thought\_s](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a_dudes_thought_s)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/90 "2018-10-30T13:42:10Z")
I guess this shooter must not have a basic understanding of things as most people commit crimes against their own race. Proximity is the biggest factor really. This reminds me of the situation with Richard Spencer a bit. He does not care for people of other races and now he is abusing his wife. I guess that hatred has to be focused on something. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/91 "2018-10-30T16:42:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > We realize that banning guns would not end gun violence any more than the war on drugs ended drug use or Prohibition ended the consumption of alcohol. Although it has, reliably, in numerous countries. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/92 "2018-10-30T16:45:51Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > You suggested that [some] people have a higher desire to own a gun than [some] of those who want a drink or to get stoned. > > And you still don’t see a problem here? Lots of people have very little desire to drink alcohol or get stoned. I know, I know, hard to believe. But I promise we exist. And we hate it when people assume we don’t. Do I have a desire to own a gun? No, but I do own two items which require licenses to operate, being considered deadly by my government: a car and a bow. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/93 "2018-10-30T17:18:02Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Although it has, reliably, in numerous countries. Oh really? [Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danforth_shooting) is free of gun violence now? Or [the UK](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5971706/london-shootings-kinsbury-forest-gate/)? Or [Australia](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/world/australia/worst-mass-shooting-margaret-river.html)? Which “numerous countries” were you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/94 "2018-10-30T22:24:40Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Isn’t amazing how someone who exhibits blatant racist behavior, threatens racial violence and then perpetrates the racial violence he’s threatened to do always turns out to be just mentally ill and not violently racist after all? Dude, he’s white. Remember when Las Vegas terrorist and Trump supporter Stepen Paddock killed 58 and wounded 851 others? What did our very own president say about this fine white republican? _He had problems!_ I don’t know about you, but I was deeply moved by the sympathy and kinship Trump displayed towards that homicidal maniac. He’s been harsher towards NFL players who kneel during the national anthem. Those motherfuckers are sons of bitches. I’ve no doubt the same diseased mind that explains away white murderers so callously would have found empathy for Timothy McVeigh too. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/95 "2018-10-31T01:43:32Z")
**Mod Hat On** Take the general gun control debate to another thread. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Oh really? [Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danforth_shooting) is free of gun violence now? Or [the UK](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5971706/london-shootings-kinsbury-forest-gate/)? Or [Australia](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/11/world/australia/worst-mass-shooting-margaret-river.html)? > > Which “numerous countries” were you referring to? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/96 "2018-10-31T01:47:18Z")
America is nothing if not racist. To ask America to give up racism is like asking George Best (or Mickey Mantle) to give up alcohol. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/97 "2018-11-03T05:28:23Z")
This is the first high-profile shooting that has hit really close to home for me. When I read that it took place at a Kroger in Jeffersontown, I started to wonder if it was the Kroger that my mother and sister regularly shop at. Now, my mom can’t drive at the moment because she injured her wrist, and it seemed far-fetched in general that I wouldn’t have been contacted in the nearly half a day since the shooting occurred if a family member had indeed been one of the victims, so I felt sort of OK. But what if my sister happened to be picking something up for my mom? What it no one had called because they were too distraught? I wasn’t completely calm until I ascertained that, no, it was a different Kroger. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/98 "2018-11-03T06:16:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > No. Something more like “% of households that own a firearm” would be more informative and useful IMHO. Do you understand why that is? Ummmm. Because a well-prepared home defender needs a gun in every room of his house, plus a howitzer on the front lawn for when Soros’ mob shows up? Ummmm. Because Stephen Paddock, with a little more practice, could have killed as many with just 20 guns as he killed with his 24 guns? Ummmm. Because when Pappie Billie Bob gives each teenager who lives in his household a gun for their 13th birthday — Billie Joe, Jimmie Bob, Jeffie Beau and even Mollie Mae — they hain’t gonna shoot them guns at nobody what don’t need killing anyhow? How many guesses do I get? > [@galen\_ubal](#): > > **HurricaneDitka** , in 1996 Australia passed the National Firearms Agreement (NFA). This banned semi-automatic firearms, pump-action rifles and shotguns - some 650,000 were bought back by the Australian government. > In the fourteen years following, as of the time of [this report (PDF)](https://cdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1264/2012/10/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf), there had been no mass shootings in Australia, as opposed to 13 in the 18 years prior to the NFA. Facts? _Facts?_ 😕 You bring facts to a gunfight? Y’all hain’t from around here, are ya? ---
**Author:** ![Silvorange](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Silvorange](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silvorange)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496/99 "2018-11-03T20:54:13Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > This is the first high-profile shooting that has hit really close to home for me. Same here. My dad heard about it before I did and called me to see if it was the one where my sister works or the one by my house. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whites-dont-kill-whites-shooting-at-kentucky-kroger-supermarket/823496.md?page=4)