Anglos are of English extraction. “Whites” include French, Polish, German et al.
Hispanics are not White.
Okay… in the Canadian context, “anglos” are that group who are vaguely defined as “English-speaking” (i.e. non-French, or non-First Nations). This doesn’t really make that much sense either, considering how diverse English-speaking Canada is.
Hispanic simply means that you were born in a Latin American or Latin European country. Where you’re born, and what your ethnicity is are two different things.
The past includes a vast number of injustices against people of all races. Affirmative action only deals with the subset of those injustices that are claimed to be remediable by giving preferences to favored groups.
About the same number of Asians and whites are admitted to the University of California at Berkeley, even though there are four or five times as many whites as Asians in California. Would you recommend that UC Berkeley lower its admissions standards for whites so as to make its white/Asian ratio more representative of the population as a whole?
I was born in the USA and I am Hispanic.
Being from Spain, or a Spanish-speaking country, or decending from parents who are, still has no bearing on wheather you’re white or not.
Wow, that’s the oddest thing I’ve read today. What about Latinos whose families never intermarried with Indian populations and are 100% Spanish? Are the Spanish not white?
Oh they definitely like to think so and they hate being called Hispanic but…
And don’t forget about those Moors. As much of the dark skin in the new world comes from Arab influence as native American.
Hm. Ok.
Spaniards (even the northern blue-eyed blondes) and Moors are not white. What about Turks, Armenians, Persians, and Greeks? Are they white?
I’ll check with some Turkish friends and get back to you.
Many Arabs, including those from Arabia, aren’t all that dark-skinned ( to my eyes, anyway ). At any rate, the retreating Syrian Arab-origined army of the Caliph Hisham aside, probably most Muslim settlers in Spain would have originally been of Berber origins. Some Berbers in the Sahara regions are pretty dark, especially Tuaregs like this girl:
But the coastal and mountain populations can get pretty pale ( in fact red hair and green eyes are relatively common in Kabylia and the Rif ), like this Kabyle girl:
While they was certainly some Berber settlement from Saharan populations ( the Alomoravids in particular leaned heavily on Tuareg support ), is likely most Muslim settlers in Spain were not all that noticeably darker than the earlier inhabitants.
I will note that the the U.S. census considers just about everyone from North Africa and the Middle East as “white” and the original racial definition of “caucasian” or “caucasoid” included everybody from Europe and North Africa straight through into northern India and western central Asia. The term is cultural and is what you want to make of it.
Personally I’ve have never heard of someone referring to a Spaniard as non-white before this, though.
- Tamerlane
I have. Though it seemed a little silly at the time.
And I knew an Italian who considered himself a seperate race from northern Europeans. Both of them were paler than my somewhat olive complexion.
It doesn’t map straight on and attempts to do so geographically or even culturally are doomed to failure.
Sure isn’t. They still have most of the guns. :dubious:
The Armenian standing next to me assures me he is white. Armenians are from the Caucasus Mountains. If they’re not white, who is?
CJ
I was correcting a misapprehension about how Affirmative Action programs are justified, not trying to start an argument about the concept’s validity. I’ll thank you for your clarification and leave it at that.
Daniel
Anglo has always been used to describe non-Hispanic caucasions in my state of New Mexico.
So, out of curiosity, despite my pasty white skin and blue eyes, if I was born in Mexico, or my parents were, would that allow me to claim that I’m not white?
“White” apparently is a vague classification. But I’m not saying that “White” is synonymous with “Caucasian”. Perhaps it is after all up to the individual to decide. I definitely have nothing against “White” people but I just can’t see calling myself “White”.
The statistic that whites won’t be a majority in the country starting sometime around 2050 is based entirely on the assumption that current trends in population change will continue. But crrent trends rarely continue, especially not over a time period of more than two generations. Hispanic population growth grows faster right now due to two factors:
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Immigration
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Hispanics are more likely to be Catholic => Hispanics are more likely to believe that birth control is unacceptable => Hispanics have more children per capita.
Both may change. Immigration is driven by the vastly superior economic opportunities in the United States versus Latin America. This may change, if the economies of Latin America improve. There are signs of improvement in some countries. Most significantly, the Mexican people are starting to agitate against the their government, which may herald changes towards true democracy and a market economy. If that happens there will be far less motivation for Mexicans to head northward.
As for the birth control issue, integration happens. As Hispanics in the US are exposed to new ways of thinking, their opinions about birth control may change.
Nobody forbids me from claiming that my white freckled redheaded native-North-Carolinian self is Korean, so I’m absolutely sure that you’ll be allowed to claim that you’re not white. Race is an unscientific concept (at least in the fashion that we’re using it here–there are, I believe, extremely limited fashions in which it may be used with scientific validity), and you can claim that you’re any race that you want to claim.
Daniel