# Who are good white-male historical figures? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 1, 2017, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234 "2017-09-01T10:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/141 "2017-09-02T10:48:31Z")
Snivelling. That’s the word I was looking for last night. As in "abject snivelling coward. " Although we have no reason to believe any details your shared about your personal life we can see from your style, phrasing, and choice of subjects that you are a coward and a bigot. You wish you had the balls to be a bully. But you don’t. You retreat like the spineless worm you are once the people you have been pissing on have had enough. Here’s your fucking pity attention. Now stop bothering the grownups. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/142 "2017-09-02T11:53:26Z")
**Reddy** , you should go and hang out in Cafe Society or the Game Room and contribute there. Leave this thread alone and it will disappear. Spend time listening to subjects other than statues and race, don’t get so angry at all of this. I’m a white male and I do not feel like people are blaming me for things that white people did in the past. Your posts about that, your betters, having to bend the knee, are bizarre in the extreme and do not reflect any sort of experience I’ve seen. Stop following stories about PC and SJWs and you’ll find that that’s almost all nutpicking and, in real life, those issues are very minor. Also, Ashkenazi Jews don’t consider themselves white? Huh? Is this anywhere near a majority opinion? I live in a neighborhood with many A. Jews and that would never have occurred to me. I’m half that myself and I check the White box on forms. What would they check? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/143 "2017-09-02T12:51:53Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > good white male historical figures. > […] > Freddy Mercury Ironically, Farrokh Bulsara would not, generally, be considered white. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/144 "2017-09-02T13:23:28Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Snivelling. That’s the word I was looking for last night. As in "abject snivelling coward. " > > Although we have no reason to believe any details your shared about your personal life we can see from your style, phrasing, and choice of subjects that you are a coward and a bigot. You wish you had the balls to be a bully. > > But you don’t. You retreat like the spineless worm you are once the people you have been pissing on have had enough. > > Here’s your fucking pity attention. Now stop bothering the grownups. This is the kind of insult that can cause collateral damage. [Note to self: Avoid picking a fight with **DrFidelius**] ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/145 "2017-09-02T14:28:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Ironically, Farrokh Bulsara would not, generally, be considered white. I had no idea that was his real name! Thanks! For the record, he’s a great singer and songwriter, and it was terrible that he died so young, but he doesn’t really belong on the same list as Einstein and Lincoln in terms of great males (white or otherwise). I just included him because of the OP’s user name. Einstein was Ashkenazi, so I guess he doesn’t count either, per the OP. ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/146 "2017-09-02T15:12:10Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > Maybe I’d be less angry if people stopped telling me that I’m exactly the same as some WASP whose family dates back to the 1600s here because my complexion is a similar shade, and as such, I’m equally as responsible for their sins as their descendants are. Well you are equally responsible for their sins as their descendants are – which is to say not at all. That doesn’t necessarily mean you have not had some advantages due to race. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/147 "2017-09-02T15:16:08Z")
Cecil ? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/148 "2017-09-02T15:44:22Z")
An Orthodox Cecilian would insist that Himself is beyond such petty distinctions as race or gender. Reform Cecilians point out that to be unaware of race or gender is form of ignorance, and would violate the Prime Directive. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/149 "2017-09-02T15:49:06Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Look, I’d be up for taking down ALL statues, destroying all monuments, and leveling all public buildings, if it would just make the so-called conservatives stop whining about precious and beloved statues that they’d never heard of before being taken down. No!!! Where are the pigeons going to shit? Won’t someone think about the poor pigeons??? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/150 "2017-09-02T15:52:29Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > In 1976, presidential candidate Jimmy Carter defended ethnic enclaves formed by free association and pledged not to use federal power to reengineer them:… “This is a natural inclination on the part of the people.” > > Carter on the ERA, 1980: > “The main obstacle to the ratification of the ERA (Equal Rights Amendment establishing gender equality) in Illinois and in Georgia and in the other States that have not yet made this decision is the allegation that it is only supported by radical kinds of people…” > > Other remarks today by the former Governor seemed to illustrate his persistent pro’slem in dealing with charges that he is not wholly consistent. I’m not sure what charge you are making against Jimmy Carter. Is he a liar? a hypocrite? Or just indecisive? I hope it’s just being indecisive. As a centrist myself, I empathize with Carter. Lots of social issues do not have simple black and white answers. To reverse one’s-self after 4 years of self-education is something to be proud of, not ashamed of. Present-day America is not a hospitable environment for centrists like myself. We’re expected to be adamant about cis/trans/whatevers being allowed or forbidden in various bathrooms. We’re supposed to either want to tear down statues of Thomas Jefferson or to put up more statues ofhim. We either like it when cops kill blacks … or want blacks to start killing cops! :eek: _ **Why can’t we just all get along?** _ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/151 "2017-09-02T16:09:34Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > You know what’s even worse than a white supremacist? A whiny little bitch of a white supremacist. So so true!!! They’re so bad ass UNTIL they have to answer for their shit - re the internet sensation known as “Crying Nazi” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/152 "2017-09-02T16:13:36Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > I just feel like I’ve been basically blacklisted here, and that I’m like the most hated member of the site and there’s nothing I can do about it, and this sucks since I was here for a year and a half before anything bad happened. Am I doomed here? Like for real, am I basically on the list of “despised people who will be ignored henceforth list”? > > Should I cut my losses and leave? You are nowhere near the most despised poster here. We have doorhinge. We’ll always have Doorhinge. If you’re seriously upset about the reactions you’re getting here, treat it as a teachable moment and try to really understand some of the racial issues that are getting under your skin and figure out why it’s bothering you so much. Racial issues have always been complicated, and in the scheme of things, you don’t have it so bad. Many of us have little patience for a white guy complaining about how hard it is. In the off chance something has actually hurt you because you’re a white guy, welcome to “life.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/153 "2017-09-02T16:16:47Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Snivelling. That’s the word I was looking for last night. As in "abject snivelling coward. " > > Although we have no reason to believe any details your shared about your personal life we can see from your style, phrasing, and choice of subjects that you are a coward and a bigot. You wish you had the balls to be a bully. > > But you don’t. You retreat like the spineless worm you are once the people you have been pissing on have had enough. > > Here’s your fucking pity attention. Now stop bothering the grownups. Mind if I plagiarize that, should the need arise? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/154 "2017-09-02T17:17:16Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Mind if I plagiarize that, should the need arise? You need to stay as far away from situations where “should the need arise”. Note to self: If I ever start thinking “What was that withering put-down by **DrFidelius**? Looks like I’m going to have to use it in five, four, three…” I’m going to run away as fast as I can before I get to two. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/155 "2017-09-02T17:53:45Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Mind if I plagiarize that, should the need arise? Feel free. All my invective is Creative Commons. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/156 "2017-09-02T18:36:35Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > (also, I’m a sentient helicopter. Just saying) Nick? ---
**Author:** ![Reddy\_Mercury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@Reddy\_Mercury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reddy_Mercury)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/157 "2017-09-02T18:38:29Z")
I disavow this thread. Was insanely stupid and immature on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/158 "2017-09-02T18:54:28Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > I disavow this thread. Was insanely stupid and immature on my part. And yet, you keep replying to it, giving it more attention. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/159 "2017-09-02T19:04:07Z")
No, **Idle Thoughts** , _I_ get to have the last word! Neener neener! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234/160 "2017-09-03T00:24:54Z")
> [@Reddy\_Mercury](#): > > [Jewish activists target removal of Peter Stuyvesant monuments](http://nypost.com/2017/08/24/jewish-activists-target-removal-of-peter-stuyvesant-monuments/) > > A total erasure of Stuvyersant from this city. > > Who next? I wonder why Jews in particular dislike Stuyvestant so much? He was a complete dick to anybody who wasn’t Dutch Reformed Church, not just the Jews. He treated Lutherans, Catholics and Quakers like shit as well. Why is there a statue of him at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-good-white-male-historical-figures/795234.md?page=9)