I agree he would still have male and white privilege, but in that particular case I think the fact he’s a victim of severe abuse and poor outweighs (albeit doesn’t negate entirely) the suffering the rich black woman faces from being black and female.
Like Reddy Mercury said, it seems like only white males are expected to be apologetic about their privilege, when whiteness and maleness are only two of many factors that can make someone more privileged. In other words, even though intersectionality is given lip service, a lot of SJW types break humanity into two groups - “Privileged straight white male oppressors” and “the oppressed”, who make up everyone else. Black men and white women get a pass, even though they’re also both privileged on one of those two points. White men only get a pass if they’re gay.
Isn’t a poor or mentally disabled white male just as much a minority as a middle class and mentally able white woman or black man?
I agree with you there. The point at which it becomes a tad annoying to me though is when it’s presumed that just for being a straight white male, your opinion on a topic is inherently less valuable than that of a minority because it’s viewed as being tainted by your privilege. After all it’s entirely possible for a white guy to be right about something and a minority to be wrong about something.
I’m on the Internet all the fucking time. I drink enough that I actually have a preference for a whiskey with breakfast. I do not “virtue signal.”
I have never been mistaken for a racist online. I have been accused of being an asshole but I am not so weak as to imagine an Internet comment had any impact on my life.
I don’t think white people are inherently more inclined to be racist. It’s just that when you have the power, there’s more incentive to be racist. There’s plenty of racist black people and Mexicans too, but they don’t have the social order on their side.
I see where you’re coming from, but when he talks about being ugly and balding, addicted to the internet, having no prospects— there’s an authenticity there that’s hard to fake.
That’s the thing. It’s mainly a numbers game. Of course whites have more social power than others…because they’re the majority. It’s abused, but…If I was in China, a Chinese man would have greater privilege than me. Does that mean there’s some sort of toxic Chinese privilege that needs to be dismantled? It’s simply a numbers game.
The concept of “privilege” shouldn’t be dismantled so much as abuse of privilege. A policeman shooting an unarmed person - white or black - is abusing his privilege. White privilege, in the way SJWs mean it, isn’t so much that all whites have innate advantages over everyone else. It’s that historically, and in cases currently, whites have misused that privilege to mistreat others.
If white privilege were framed that way, it would feel less like an attack - like an original sin sort of thing. Any group that is the majority population, whether it be white, black, or brown, is going to have innate advantages over the other groups simply because they are the majority. It’s how being the majority is used that should be debated.
White people founded this country and have made up the majority for the majority of its history, but in too many cases, too many white people have used the privilege of the majority, to mistreat or diminish the minority.
Honestly I think any other race would have done the same, if they had the same position of power. It’s easy to not feel empathy for strangers or foreigners if you aren’t careful. People have that tribal instinct to enrich their in-group, sometimes at the expense of the out-groups. If Africans colonized the world instead of Europeans I’m pretty sure they would have exploited and enslaved other cultures too, after all they’re no better or worse inherently than whites.
And it’s not even an “if” question. You can look at other nations where one non-white majority victimized a fellow non-white minority. Look at how Imperial Japan treated the Chinese after they invaded - the rapes, summary executions and all around barbarity. The tyranny of the majority is a threat in every society.
What white privilege is to me is as I said, whites, being the majority, at times in the past and present, using their social power, to deny it to others. But white privilege is often painted as this innate thing which every single white person regardless of station in life has, and which is almost painted as an innate trait which only whites, and white males in particular, possess.
If it were painted as misuse of social power, I’d be totally on board. See how less abrasive that sounds than “Check your privilege!” or “A poor, mentally disabled, brutalized white man has it better than a rich black woman.” It sounds like less of a blanket condemnation of whites.
The vast majority of your problems and anger at liberals (or SJWs or whatever) seems to be a gross misunderstanding of the actual positions and beliefs of most liberals.
I like how this last paragraph here attempts to equivocate two phrases, one real but not often (if ever) actually said out loud, to another that is completely fictional and exists only in the author’s mind (and post).
It attempts to say that the first sentence is as ridiculous and over-the-top as the second phrase. This is a blatant rhetorical device meant to denigrate and trivialize very real concerns and events.
Use of such rhetoric says a lot about the user, IMO.
They’re equivalent in that the former comes off like an attack; the other comes off like an attempt to generalize races. I was using an exact example used by another poster in this same thread.
Protoboard said, "I agree he would still have male and white privilege, but in that particular case I think the fact he’s a victim of severe abuse and poor outweighs (albeit doesn’t negate entirely) the suffering the rich black woman faces from being black and female.
Like Reddy Mercury said, it seems like only white males are expected to be apologetic about their privilege, when whiteness and maleness are only two of many factors that can make someone more privileged. In other words, even though intersectionality is given lip service, a lot of SJW types break humanity into two groups - “Privileged straight white male oppressors” and “the oppressed”, who make up everyone else. Black men and white women get a pass, even though they’re also both privileged on one of those two points. White men only get a pass if they’re gay.
Isn’t a poor or mentally disabled white male just as much a minority as a middle class and mentally able white woman or black man?"
That’s where I got the phrasing from. Not my own mind.
Yes, I did. Both in the primaries and in the general election. My neighborhood went for Bernie in the primaries. I thought we’d get Bill Clinton style centrism from her, or at the very least upholding what Obama did over his terms. So yes, I did vote for her, even though I didn’t like her. I didn’t really like any of the candidates, but she was the better of two evils.
Except I’m not a white supremacist. If I was, I would be blatant about it. You can be anti-far left, and yet not be a Neo-Nazi, Klansmen, or neo-Confederate. Shocking, I know. You can also be anti-far left and not be a Trump supporter, even more shocking.
Bullshit. You voted for Trump because you idiotically bought into his rhetoric that white losers like you would get good jobs when he Makes America Great Again. Guess what: He ain’t doing anything of the kind.
And no one who wanted Obama’s policies upheld would post the vile shit that you have posted on these boards.
I’m not a Nazi. Nor am I a Neo-Nazi. If I was I would just say it. I have really no reason to lie and say I voted for Hillary if I did not.
Nazism was a failed and murderous philosophy as is every kind of Fascism. The only good thing about Fascism were the uniforms. Hitler was a deranged art student who failed his people, failed humanity, and ultimately not only killed millions of innocent people, but brought the country he claimed to love to near ruin. He was a madman. Neither Franco nor Mussolini were much better.
Don’t be silly! You know he can’t be a white supremacist. Why, look at that amazing rainbow of diverse friends listed by this isolated, angry man whose only escape is the internet!
It’s just that, it’s so tough out there for the white man, you know? Sometimes people on the internet say mean things and everything! Maybe he should talk to that black friend about it and see if he can get an official Black Friend Card that he can just flash to prove himself when these things come up.
Also, a President doesn’t make jobs happen unless that President is Franklin Roosevelt and it’s a massive jobs program like the CCC. Otherwise, it’s up to the market to offer and the individual to procure.