# Who Are Some Murder Victims Who Deserved To Die? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 28, 2017, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985 "2017-11-28T21:40:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/21 "2017-11-29T18:43:31Z")
Jeffrey Doucet kidnapped and raped an 11 year old boy. He was killed by the boys father when authorities were bringing him back into the state. The father got no jail time. > **[Father Who Killed Alleged Abuser on TV Avoids Jail](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-08-27-mn-25260-story.html)** > > A father who shot and killed a man suspected of abducting and sexually abusing his son was sentenced today to five years' probation and ordered to perform community service work. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/22 "2017-11-29T19:02:50Z")
Bobby Kent. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/23 "2017-11-29T19:47:49Z")
I have nothing to add to the actual OP. But when I saw the thread title I thought the thread was going to be something along these lines:[RANT]Whenever there’s a murder, especially a mass murder, the survivors and the media always, Always, _ **ALWAYS** _ say the victims didn’t deserve it. OK Mr. Smarty Pants Media Guy, tell me which murder victims do deserve it? Yup. None. So lay off the stupid cliché’s will ya?[/RANT]Carry On. Overall I like your actual OP better than what I expected it to be. For my contribution to the actual thread I tried to locate a youtube of the _Blue Collar Comedy Tour_’s routine about “He needed shootin’”. Couldn’t find it. Sorry. But it’s great. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/24 "2017-11-29T21:38:02Z")
This guy wraps it all up quite neatly, no loose ends - certainly deserved to be murdered - good riddance! > **[Praljak: Bosnian Croat war criminal dies after taking poison in court](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42163613)** > > Slobodan Praljak acted after an appeals court in The Hague confirmed his 20-year jail term. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/25 "2017-11-29T21:46:18Z")
It may not be a civilized answer, but lots of murder victims deserve to die. The reality is most murder victims aren’t amazing people doing good in the world. Most are destructive criminals who are usually in gangs or mobs who end up getting killed by other criminals in gangs and mobs. I’d wager at least half of murder victims are people who are serious criminals. Of them, the world is better off without most. StusBlues mentions how two murder victims he knows were sociopaths. That isn’t surprising. Most murders are dangerous criminals killing each other. If you want actual names, Tommy desimone. He was the basis for Joe pescis character in Goodfellas. Total monster who luckily was killed at 28. Imagine how much worse the world would’ve been had he lived to 60. Another example Aaron Maldonado. Viciously beat his wife and kids for years until his wife and son killed him. There is a documentary about him. He should’ve died long before that if the law wouldn’t deal with him. I personally find it validating when state sponsors of cruelty are murdered by their victims. Dictators who get shot, concentration camp guards being killed, secret police members who end up killed, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/26 "2017-11-29T21:53:34Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > During and after Stalin’s purges each leader of the secret police was executed by his successors - Yagoda, Yezhov, and Beria. Some Nazis such as mass murderer Arthur Nebe and several concentration camp commanders were killed by the Nazi regime. I would classify these show trials and summary executions as murder, although the OP doesn’t specify. I’ll grant you that, but I’m drawn on beria. Supposedly beria poisoned Stalin to avoid Stalin committing a first strike nuclear attack on the US combined with a massive domestic purge as well as another holocaust against the Jews and physicians. He may have done it to save his own skin (didn’t work, he ended up dead) but beria may have prevented nuclear war. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/27 "2017-11-29T22:37:38Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > But when I saw the thread title I thought the thread was going to be something along these lines:[RANT]Whenever there’s a murder, especially a mass murder, the survivors and the media always, Always, _ **ALWAYS** _ say the victims didn’t deserve it. OK Mr. Smarty Pants Media Guy, tell me which murder victims do deserve it? Yup. None. So lay off the stupid cliché’s will ya?[/RANT]Carry On. I’ve never heard anyone say that a 9/11 victim wouldn’t be missed, or even someone saying something like “Our marriage wasn’t happy and I know we would be divorced now if s/he hadn’t died, but I still wish it hadn’t happened this way.” Usually, when a person nobody likes dies, the silence is deafening. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/28 "2017-11-29T22:41:43Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > It may not be a civilized answer, but lots of murder victims deserve to die. The reality is most murder victims aren’t amazing people doing good in the world. Most are destructive criminals who are usually in gangs or mobs who end up getting killed by other criminals in gangs and mobs. I’d wager at least half of murder victims are people who are serious criminals. Of them, the world is better off without most. StusBlues mentions how two murder victims he knows were sociopaths. That isn’t surprising. Most murders are dangerous criminals killing each other. It’s an extension of the fact that most crime of all types goes on between people who know each other. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/29 "2017-11-29T23:21:54Z")
When this happened, I was nearly banned from a true-crime message board for saying that the people who did this probably did the world a favor in the long run. > **[8 Charged In Teen's Boot Camp Death](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/8-charged-in-teens-boot-camp-death/)** > > In Florida Case That Sparked Closing Of Juvenile Detention Camps That’s despite the fact that I also added that the employees who beat him should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Many times, I asked them, “Had he gotten out, would you have wanted him at your kids’ school? Dating your daughter(s)? Would you take him into your home if he had no place to go?” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/30 "2017-11-29T23:31:40Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > When this happened, I was nearly banned from a true-crime message board for saying that the people who did this probably did the world a favor in the long run. > > [8 Charged In Teen's Boot Camp Death - CBS News](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/8-charged-in-teens-boot-camp-death/) > > That’s despite the fact that I also added that the employees who beat him should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. > > Many times, I asked them, “Had he gotten out, would you have wanted him at your kids’ school? Dating your daughter(s)? Would you take him into your home if he had no place to go?” :smack: Did you link to the right article? This is a story about a 14-year-old kid who was in juvi boot camp for being a thief being beaten to death. You’re defending this, or am I missing some context? (ETA: OK, “beaten to death” is not a completely accurate summary, but beaten, and then died either from suffocation or complications afterwards.) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/31 "2017-11-29T23:36:01Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Did you link to the right article? This is a story about a 14-year-old kid who was in juvi boot camp for being a thief being beaten to death. You’re defending this, or am I missing some context? (ETA: OK, “beaten to death” is not a completely accurate summary, but beaten, and then died either from suffocation or complications afterwards.) Nope, right story. This wasn’t the first time he’d been in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/32 "2017-11-29T23:38:48Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Albert DiSalvo aka the Boston Strangler DeSalvo wasn’t the Boston Strangler, but he did go to prison for saying he was, and he did enough other things to put him away for a long time, so he was right where he belonged. There’s a Doper who says s/he knew his son, who was a toddler when his father was arrested; he, his mother, and sister moved back to Germany, where his mother was from, and the kids were told that their father had died in a car accident. They only found out the truth many years later. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/33 "2017-11-29T23:47:03Z")
I read a story about a woman charged with the attempted murder of her roommate because the roommate ate her last box of Girl Scout Thin Mints. If I were on the jury, I’d have had a hard time convicting. Also, there was a woman in the news a few years ago, who was killed, possibly by her husband, whose face was plastered all over the media, and who looked like one of the most annoying people I had ever seen. I never met her and don’t know anything about her, but she looked like she would have gotten on my last nerve until that one finally snapped. Another jury I shouldn’t be on. I don’t want to say her name, because I’d probably take some real crap for thinking this way, but wow, did she just look impossible to live with. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/34 "2017-11-29T23:56:37Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > DeSalvo wasn’t the Boston Strangler, but he did go to prison for saying he was, and he did enough other things to put him away for a long time, so he was right where he belonged. The “Boston Strangler” crimes had a victimology that was all over the place. Some of the victims were elderly women who lived alone and were killed during the day-- they were all white. Some were very young women who were killed at various times, and were of different races. A couple were somewhat older, but not yet middle aged. Most current theories of the Boston Strangler suggest that the victims under the Strangler’s “umbrella” were actually killed by, at the very least, two men, and maybe as many as five. The most agreed-upon number is three. It is very possible that DeSalvo killed two or three of the Strangler victims. I don’t have the list in front of me, but IIRC, two or three of them fit with the victimology of “The Measuring Man” case, a series of rapes definitely committed by DeSalvo. So no, he wasn’t _The_ Boston Strangler, because no one was; however, he did commit a few of the Strangler crimes, so he was, sort of, one of several Boston Stranglers. Probably. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/35 "2017-11-29T23:56:44Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Nope, right story. This wasn’t the first time he’d been in trouble. OK, I guess I’ll need more context because, from what I see in that story, there’s nothing that says “needs killing” to me. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/36 "2017-11-30T01:09:31Z")
This guy [Anthony Spilotro - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Spilotro) was still quite well known/infamous in Las Vegas after his death. I got there just a few months too late to have seen him around town. He cut a large swath among the movers and shakers of both legit and illegit Vegas. Good riddance to another psycho killer. His cruelty & victim count were legendary. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/37 "2017-11-30T01:14:46Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Many times, I asked them, “Had he gotten out, would you have wanted him at your kids’ school? Dating your daughter(s)? Would you take him into your home if he had no place to go?” :smack: Is that really the standard for justifying murder? Really? You don’t think that, by that metric, there’d be millions of people who “deserved” to be murdered? I can see why asserting an opinion like that might get you “nearly” banned from many internet fora… ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/38 "2017-11-30T01:54:06Z")
[Paul Bernardo, Karla Homolka](http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Paul_Bernardo_and_Karla_Homolka) & anyone else who rapes, tortures, and murders children. Unfortunately the list is long. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/39 "2017-11-30T02:31:00Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Jesse James comes to mind. He truly was a scum-bag. Good thing he didn’t live to see himself aggrandized. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Gay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@Enola\_Gay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Gay)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2017, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985/40 "2017-11-30T02:33:15Z")
> [@Enola\_Gay](#): > > [Paul Bernardo, Karla Homolka](http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Paul_Bernardo_and_Karla_Homolka) & anyone else who rapes, tortures, and murders children. Unfortunately the list is long. Misread the OP. Disregard! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-some-murder-victims-who-deserved-to-die/802985.md?page=3)