# Who are the Deep Cover Liberals on this board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977 "2012-09-07T13:41:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/41 "2012-09-07T18:14:27Z")
Frankly, I’d think that not just conservatives would find the concept of a DCL offensive, but so would liberals. That the liberal perspective isn’t strong enough to stand on it’s own and might need someone to actively sabotage the conservatives means that whoever is doing it isn’t only disingenuous but is essentially admiting that those views won’t work. That said, I think accusing anyone of being a DCL on this board seems a little silly. As others have said, this board does tend to the left, and conservatives are already outnumbered and ridiculed, so what’s to gain from someone trying to sabotage it? Moreso, I know more than a few people who are far more right-wing than anyone on this board, those who would still vote in Bush, still convinced Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya, and all that sort of stuff, and they definitely believe every word they say. I think the larger issue is, as touched on above, the Dunning-Kruger effect, except it’s not just the conservatives, a number of the liberals on this board have the same bias. If anything, given the general political atmosphere of this board, I’d be more inclined to believe there’s a Deep Cover Conservative out there, especially since I’ve seen more than a few people express about others on this board that they wish so-and-so wasn’t on their side. But still, I don’t think that’s very likely either since they still struck me as genuine about their beliefs, just terrible at making arguments to support it. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/42 "2012-09-07T18:16:55Z")
[quote=“drewtwo99, post:1, topic:633977”] I would have put this in IMHO with a poll, but I figured it probably better belongs in the pit since we’re making accusations about other posters. For those who are curious, a [Deep Cover Liberal](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Deep_cover_liberal) is a hypothetical person who espouses extremely right-wing vitriol, not out of sincerity, but in an effort to discredit conservatives by making them seem insane. \*\*clothahump \*\*is certainly one. I’m leaning towards believing that **OMG A Black Conservative** is as well, though it’s not as clear a case as **clothahump**. You are as wrong as it is possible for a human being to be. You’re not even in the same zip code as right. Obligatory Pit response: fuck you and the horse you rode in on. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/43 "2012-09-07T18:18:26Z")
I firmly believe Obama is a Keynesian. Does that help? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/44 "2012-09-07T18:19:40Z")
FWIW, I don’t think \*\*Clothahump \*\*deserves a warning for the ‘fuck you’ - it’s entrapment. I don’t think most of us could read this thread about us and not be excused a hearty ‘fuck you.’ ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/45 "2012-09-07T18:22:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > For what it’s worth, I know clothahump in real life. He really is sincere in his political beliefs. The main difference is that his politics aren’t as big a deal in his real life. The overall liberalism of this board just seems to bring out the conservatism in him. Which is unfortunate because while we disagree on political issues, clothahump is one of the nicest guys you’d ever want to meet. If he avoided political issues, he’d probably be one of the most popular people on the board. But I guess he’s decided he’d rather stand up for what he thinks is right than be popular. \ Thanks, **Little Nemo**. You said it better than I could. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/46 "2012-09-07T18:41:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I firmly believe Obama is a Keynesian. Does that help? His father was from Keynesia. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/47 "2012-09-07T18:46:15Z")
Damn liberal college hippies, going to Keynes parties, going home with someone else’s economic policies… ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/48 "2012-09-07T18:47:44Z")
FWIW, **Clothy** is a very outspoken atheist, which goes against the cliched image he otherwise often evokes, so I don’t believe he’s parodying a stock Conservative. As I recall, I agreed with him twice on separate issues (neither of them religion or politics, as I remember) on the same day and practically had to go to bed early for fear of an asploding head. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/49 "2012-09-07T18:58:24Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Frankly, I’d think that not just conservatives would find the concept of a DCL offensive, but so would liberals. That the liberal perspective isn’t strong enough to stand on it’s own and might need someone to actively sabotage the conservatives means that whoever is doing it isn’t only disingenuous but is essentially admiting that those views won’t work. Bahh. Take any “cause”. Liberal. Conservative. Environmental. Civil Rights. Whatever. For any of those there is as small but non-zero population that believes whatever it takes to win is the right thing to do, because, ya know, they are right and most everybody else is wrong! Any possible “true believer” type roge undercover liberals (or whoevers) aren’t gonnna give a shit whether their fellow cohorts agree with their tactics or not. They won’t even care that the fact they have to use such tactics to win shows they are wrong and it won’t even phase them. THEY are right damnit and everybody else is an idiot of course. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/50 "2012-09-07T19:05:02Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Only insomuch as it’s useful in pointing out who the real extremists are. Or do you not know how extremism is defined? … Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/51 "2012-09-07T19:11:21Z")
When you look at OMG, Clothy and Shodan, I certainly believe they’re sincere. But the trouble is, they’re sincere because they have a completely made-up version of reality that they’re reacting to. If you really believed the same nonsense and gibberish that Clothy does, you’d be angry all the time too. You’d be lashing out every chance you get with venom on your lips. I wish they were DCLs, because that would mean they were just assholes, and not twitching, broken, angry victims of right-wing misinformation. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/52 "2012-09-07T19:40:14Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. I’m glad someone else remembered that. Of course Goldwater would be considered a socialist pinko in today’s Republican party. I doubt any Doper is a DCL myself. Given the insane lunacy of Republican pundits and elected officials, the very worst here are only one or two standard deviations from the reactionary norm. Half of them seem to be echoing the latest talking points sent from the RNC to Fox News anyhow. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/53 "2012-09-07T19:51:58Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > … Half of them seem to be echoing the latest talking points sent from the RNC to Fox News anyhow. I think you got the flow backwards. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/54 "2012-09-07T19:55:19Z")
A stagnant pond does not flow, at most, it oozes. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/55 "2012-09-07T20:22:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A stagnant pond does not flow, at most, it oozes. And stinks to high heaven. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/56 "2012-09-07T20:35:46Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I would have put this in IMHO with a poll, but I figured it probably better belongs in the pit since we’re making accusations about other posters. > > For those who are curious, a [Deep Cover Liberal](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Deep_cover_liberal) is a hypothetical person who espouses extremely right-wing vitriol, not out of sincerity, but in an effort to discredit conservatives by making them seem insane. > > There haven’t been many Deep Cover Liberals ever verified, however there was one infamous poster on Conservapedia, who after years of being in their highest ranks, finally came out and said he was just a big parody of conservatives and they were all morons for taking him seriously for so long. > > In real life, there probably aren’t any real DCLs. One would like to hope that people like Ann Coulter and Fred Phelps \ I really believe Fred Phelps lost his marbles at some point. He was an outspoken civil rights lawyer. And a pretty good one if the reading I have done is correct. /hijack ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/57 "2012-09-07T20:41:53Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. True. It’s more like a set of Channellocks. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/58 "2012-09-07T21:13:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > When you look at OMG, Clothy and Shodan, I certainly believe they’re sincere. Shodan is not remotely sincere about a single thing he says on this board. He is a team player and conservatism is his religion, but every time he gets facts shoved in his face, he stops responding like the intellectual coward he is. He’s fake as a chinatown rolex. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/59 "2012-09-07T21:49:23Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > [Obligatory This Modern World cartoon](http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2005/09/deep_undercover/). > > [The Plot Thickens](http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2010/02/deep-undercover-the-polt-thickens/). omg, that actually makes sense!! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/60 "2012-09-07T21:52:01Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Oh THATS what the expression is. I always thought it was **Defense in the Extremism of Vice is no Liberty**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977.md?page=4)