# Who are the Deep Cover Liberals on this board? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 7, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977 "2012-09-07T13:41:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/61 "2012-09-08T02:23:50Z")
We did have a DCL here once. taggert. He penned an epic thread entitled: [I am not a troll, sock puppet, parodist or satirist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=129597). **Gaudere** outs him in post #45. I wondered whether the departed Reeder was a DCC. There are many liberal outrages to choose from, and he seemed to like to post the most inane. ETA. Heh. > [@taggert](#): > > The problem with liberals is that they demand that everyone participate in their little fantasy of everyone blissfully having respectful disagreements over tea and fail to recognize what this country is really all about, the prosecution of conservative ideals. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/62 "2012-09-08T02:41:19Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > Shodan is not remotely sincere about a single thing he says on this board. He is a team player and conservatism is his religion, but every time he gets facts shoved in his face, he stops responding like the intellectual coward he is. He’s fake as a chinatown rolex. Not true. I think Shodan is completely sincere AND an intellectual coward. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/63 "2012-09-08T02:56:53Z")
But he is highly “regarded” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/64 "2012-09-08T03:04:07Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > I really believe Fred Phelps lost his marbles at some point. He was an outspoken civil rights lawyer. And a pretty good one if the reading I have done is correct. /hijack I’ve heard Phelps was just good at suing people and figured civil rights violations were an open field when he was starting his practice. ---
**Author:** ![Mekhazzio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@Mekhazzio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mekhazzio)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/65 "2012-09-08T03:34:02Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > Frankly, I’d think that not just conservatives would find the concept of a DCL offensive, but so would liberals. That the liberal perspective isn’t strong enough to stand on it’s own and might need someone to actively sabotage the conservatives means that whoever is doing it isn’t only disingenuous but is essentially admiting that those views won’t work. Dude, this is the internet. It’s not about the strength of the arguments or trying to sabotage blah blah whatever, it’s about trolling. Posting something ridiculous and getting someone else to seriously run with it easy laughs at their expense. There is nothing in the world so trivial that somebody out there doesn’t get their jollies from trolling over it, and politics isn’t trivial. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/66 "2012-09-08T04:48:55Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Interesting. A thread about certain persons expousing “right-wing vitriol” on a board which is, by any standard, dominated by people far left of the American electorate. Funny. Extremists never do see themselves as extreme. Wait, you actually think the SDMB is _far_ left ? Oy vey. This board is more centrist than a gyroscope, mate. Except when it comes to fat people and _Game of Thrones_ spoilers, admittedly :). ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/67 "2012-09-08T12:28:50Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Oh THATS what the expression is. > > I always thought it was > > **Defense in the Extremism of Vice is no Liberty**. I always thought it was Extreme Liberty in your Vices is no Defense. (It sure didn’t work as defense in court at least.) ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/68 "2012-09-08T13:09:39Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > … I’ve seen more than a few people express about others on this board that they wish so-and-so wasn’t on their side… When you find that there are more people that you find gross on your side than on the other side, especially in political matters, it’s generally time to reevaluate where you stand. For that matter, even 1 or 2 people on your own side who really disturb you should be paid attention to. I try to reside in the political center as much as possible. The extremes are always populated by people who gross me out right back to the center. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/69 "2012-09-08T13:24:25Z")
Admittedly I’ve taken my nightly (daily?) Ambien and it may be having some effect, but the voice that kept popping into my head as I read your post was that of Niles Crane. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/70 "2012-09-08T14:03:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Admittedly I’ve taken my nightly (daily?) Ambien and it may be having some effect, but the voice that kept popping into my head as I read your post was that of Niles Crane. I’ve also been accused of posting in the voice of Alan Rickman. I actually love Frasier and Harry Potter, and those characters specifically.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/71 "2012-09-08T14:07:48Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > When you find that there are more people that you find gross on your side than on the other side, especially in political matters, it’s generally time to reevaluate where you stand. I would always hope people pay less attention to what other people think\* and pay more attention to “Why do I believe what I think I believe, and what are the good points and bad points in those beliefs?” I try to, and would advise others to pay attention to and consider arguments both for an against our own beliefs, and then measure them against our higher ideals. Often we will hold a position because some aspects of it appeal to those higher ideals, but then an argument will come along showing that other parts of that position stands firmly against those higher ideals in ways we hadn’t considered; or that a different position is held by people because it appeals to higher ideals that we also hadn’t considered. Gay marriage is one example of this. People hold to opposition because they believe that it holds to the higher ideal of their ‘Christian Values’. But when you show people that opposition is harmful to the notions of equality under the law and does not actually harm others (as they often falsely believe), many people come around. - In the respect of “so-and-so thinks X” rather than specific reasons. But of course, people are idiots and we don’t always like to think so much, so we look to the people we admire, or our leaders, and decide to think what they think in order to make things easier on ourselves. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/72 "2012-09-08T14:45:43Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I would always hope people pay less attention to what other people think\* and pay more attention to “Why do I believe what I think I believe, and what are the good points and bad points in those beliefs?” I try to, and would advise others to pay attention to and consider arguments both for an against our own beliefs, and then measure them against our higher ideals. Often we will hold a position because some aspects of it appeal to those higher ideals, but then an argument will come along showing that other parts of that position stands firmly against those higher ideals in ways we hadn’t considered; or that a different position is held by people because it appeals to higher ideals that we also hadn’t considered. > > Gay marriage is one example of this. People hold to opposition because they believe that it holds to the higher ideal of their ‘Christian Values’. But when you show people that opposition is harmful to the notions of equality under the law and does not actually harm others (as they often falsely believe), many people come around. > > - In the respect of “so-and-so thinks X” rather than specific reasons. But of course, people are idiots and we don’t always like to think so much, so we look to the people we admire, or our leaders, and decide to think what they think in order to make things easier on ourselves. Oh, I guess my standing up and applauding doesn’t get noticed in an online discussion, does it? Well, if we were in my other forum (in person, local pub, $5 irish whisky night), I’d be obnoxiously clapping. I came here as a Libertarian (but a flexible one-- a rigid one’s brain would break) and a Christian (same parenthetical). By listening to people smarter than myself (let’s see, that makes one… two… a _number_ of people here!) I’ve modified/switched position on a number of issues. Mostly because of that “OK, so why do I believe that? And why doesn’t _billfish_?” approach. _[highhorse] Notice that verb there? Listening. If you could be suspected of being a deep cover anything here, you might just be a partisan tool, and probably a terrible listener (aka “an asshole”) to boot. [/highhorse]_ But, Chimera, I wish more people here had the attitude you just laid out. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/73 "2012-09-08T15:23:44Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Not true. I think Shodan is completely sincere AND an intellectual coward. I was thinking along these lines. Shodan is a tinpot pussy who runs like a bitch and has less integrity than Bricker. But he genuinely believes that the liberals are doing evil things. ---
**Author:** ![gamerunknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/6bbea6/32.png) [@gamerunknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gamerunknown)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/74 "2012-09-08T15:27:47Z")
I almost wonder if Republicans are Deep Cover Marxists. Support for the NHS begins to wane, then there are people applauding “leave them to die on the streets” rhetoric and the collective unconscious realises the alternative. Or one wonders whether Utopia would be dull if everyone were in agreement and someone pops up to say that gays are mentally ill and the mentally ill shouldn’t be able to vote and one focuses and doubles down. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/75 "2012-09-08T16:28:08Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > We did have a DCL here once. taggert. He penned an epic thread entitled: [I am not a troll, sock puppet, parodist or satirist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=129597). **Gaudere** outs him in post #45. > I wondered whether the departed Reeder was a DCC. There are many liberal outrages to choose from, and he seemed to like to post the most inane. > > ETA. Heh. That’s gotta be the funniest thing I’ve read all year. Was that what he was banned for? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/76 "2012-09-08T16:46:49Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > That’s gotta be the funniest thing I’ve read all year. Was that what he was banned for? Huh? I’ve got a plan to make banning more transparent. Step one: eventually I’m going to buy this board (when you see the label “ThinksHe’sSoFrickinCreative Loafing” you’ll know it’s me). Where you now see BANNED, it’ll give the reason: BANNED FOR SERIAL DOUCHEBAGGERY, BANNED CUZ HE KEPT PUSHING MARLEY. Click on it, and it’ll take you to The Post That Broke The Board’s Back. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/77 "2012-09-08T16:47:55Z")
> [@LeeshaJoy](#): > > **OMG,** you do realize that not everyone on this board is an American Oh yes they are - they’re Deep Cover Americans. For instance, I happen to know that **Bryan Ekers** actually lives in Paterson, New Jersey. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/78 "2012-09-08T17:10:51Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Interesting. A thread about certain persons expousing “right-wing vitriol” on a board which is, by any standard, dominated by people far left of the American electorate. Funny. Extremists never do see themselves as extreme. Why do you even post here? All you’ve ever expressed toward members of this board is contempt. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/79 "2012-09-08T20:36:12Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Why do you even post here? All you’ve ever expressed toward members of this board is contempt. That’s what’s been bothering me about your posts, OMG, much more than the knee-jerk “Obama’s stupid, and so was his speech”-type comments. Would you be happier posting somewhere else? Or do you? And, if you are on other boards, do you have the same attitude there? You do sound like “I’m feeling sorry for myself because nobody likes me, and everyone’s different from me, and they don’t listen to me when I post cliché talking points, and they won’t respect me, even though I’m smarter than they are”? And, yes, I would have the exact same feeling if you were _ **OMG a White Liberal** _. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977/80 "2012-09-08T22:28:45Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > A thread about certain persons expousing “right-wing vitriol” on a board which is, by any standard, dominated by people far left of the American electorate. Pretty much the entire industrialized world is dominated by people who are far left by American standards; America is a far-right nation. > [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Extremists never do see themselves as extreme. Extremists such as the typical American. > [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Any conservative or libertarian is rabidly attacked as being extremist based on the underlying views of this board, even if the conservative or libertarian more closely resembles the electorate from which they hail than does the liberal. American conservatives are a collection of religious fanatics, thugs, and fools; the libertarians are similar, save for lacking much of a religious aspect to their lunacy and thuggery. So yes, they are extremists. Their worldview is detached from reality, and they show an utter lack of principle in how they push their delusions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-deep-cover-liberals-on-this-board/633977.md?page=5)