# Who are the scariest prominent conservatives who are not household names? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 15, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686 "2009-11-15T20:58:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/21 "2009-11-15T22:34:23Z")
We’d better not leave out [Mike Johanns](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Johanns). This is the guy who introduced the legislation to cut funding for Acorn. Also, he’s the biggest player AFAIK in directing federal subsidies to Nebraska to fuel corn ethanol, which is, if you do the math, just about the most retarded waste of resources ever to hit the scene in this county- not counting the Iraq War of course. He did it by joining W in his stupid government-sanctioned March for Jesus campaign, which I believe got him into his position as Secretary of Agriculture, where he was entrusted with the task of discrediting the idea of alternatives to petroleum by promoting corn ethanol- in exchange for billions of $ for his worthless state. I am _This Close_ to pitting this motherfucker, just as soon as I get my rant straight. ---
**Author:** ![Skylark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Skylark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skylark)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/22 "2009-11-15T22:46:15Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I guess. I would argue that he’s pretty famous, but not Sarah Palin famous. Basically I am looking for the C and D list of famous scary conservatives. John Bolton would be B-List by my estimation with Sarah Palin being A-List, but if you think it’s appropriate by all means. Who I have heard of and who everyone else on the forum has heard of are different animals. But Michelle Bachmann doesn’t count? She’s well-known to politics-followers as someone who says some crazy shit, but she’s nowhere near Sarah Palin famous. She’s not even John Bolton/Paul Wolfowitz Bush administration B-list famous. WorldNewsDaily aka Weird Nut Daily is fairly whacko. What about that ten year old that gave the speech at the conservative convention earlier this year? We could pit him maybe? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/23 "2009-11-15T22:48:12Z")
> [@Skylark](#): > > But Michelle Bachmann doesn’t count? She’s well-known to politics-followers as someone who says some crazy shit, but she’s nowhere near Sarah Palin famous. She’s not even John Bolton/Paul Wolfowitz Bush administration B-list famous. Well the criteria is basically the audience that we are catering to here. The entire point is to get people to talk about folks that we don’t focus on, on a daily basis. I am kind of baffled that this is such an out of the box idea to people. There are daily threads on Michelle Bachmann. So try a little, go do some research, find out who are the behind the scenes people. Find out the name of that kid if you want to bring him up. I don’t recall his name though I think he was 13. We can debate how influential he is. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/24 "2009-11-15T23:05:39Z")
Has anyone asked Jason Vorhees for his views on health care? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/25 "2009-11-15T23:20:11Z")
Doug Coe the owner of the C Street home that houses a bunch of Conservative Republicans. They exert a lot of influence with politicians . ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/26 "2009-11-15T23:23:25Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Doug Coe the owner of the C Street home that houses a bunch of Conservative Republicans. They exert a lot of influence with politicians . Who is he again? I know that name. Oh right, he’s The Family guy. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/27 "2009-11-15T23:30:26Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > He wasn’t True-Scotsmanned out of it; he simply doesn’t fit the definition. Emphasis added. “The” definition? Presenting your preferred definition of a category as “the” definition of it is a paradigmatic No-True-Scotsman maneuver. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/28 "2009-11-15T23:58:16Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > Advocating for a theocracy unknown in America since well before the creation of the United States - to my knowledge, these groups explicitly disavow the Constitution - doesn’t sound very conservative to me. Since when has “conservatism” been about “conserving” anything? Conservatism is about conserving things about as much as a People’s Republic is about the people. And hostility to the Constitution - except the Second Amendment - is a hallmark of conservatives. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Has anyone asked Jason Vorhees for his views on health care? He has remained silent on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/29 "2009-11-16T00:26:04Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Since when has “conservatism” been about “conserving” anything? Conservatism is about conserving things about as much as a People’s Republic is about the people. And hostility to the Constitution - except the Second Amendment - is a hallmark of conservatives. > > He has remained silent on the issue. On the contrary, while many may strongly disagree with conservatives’ interpretation of the Constitution, they invariably express strong allegiance to it. Characters such as North openly disavow it, and are therefore about as conservative as the American Nazi Party. And just to head you off on that one, the American Nazi Party is as conservative as the Communist Party of the USA is liberal. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/30 "2009-11-16T00:29:44Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > He has remained silent on the issue. Nevertheless, his actions show him as firmly “con” on premarital sex. ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/31 "2009-11-16T00:33:16Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Emphasis added. “The” definition? Presenting your preferred definition of a category as “the” definition of it is a paradigmatic No-True-Scotsman maneuver. You do have a point insofar as conservative is a far more nebulous category than Scotsman. However, “the” definition which I referred to simply is the somewhat inadequate dictionary definition of conservative. If you’d care to give a different definition and explain how it includes North, feel free. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/32 "2009-11-16T00:44:29Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Nevertheless, his actions show him as firmly “con” on premarital sex. It would seem that he’s against healthcare too, otherwise he’d leave 'em alive and bleeding. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/33 "2009-11-16T01:35:20Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Doug Coe the owner of the C Street home that houses a bunch of Conservative Republicans. They exert a lot of influence with politicians . You mean [The Fellowship, a/k/a The Family?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)) Odd group, that. Their interpretation of Christianity is power-worship: Whoever rules is manifestly chosen by God. (Wonder if they apply that to Obama . . .) Journalist Jeff Sharlet put out a [book](http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060559799) about them this year. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/34 "2009-11-16T01:42:23Z")
> [@Shmendrik](#): > > You do have a point insofar as conservative is a far more nebulous category than Scotsman. However, “the” definition which I referred to simply is the somewhat inadequate dictionary definition of conservative. If you’d care to give a different definition and explain how it includes North, feel free. [Here’s](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11627514&highlight=wooldridge#post11627514) a pretty well-thought-out effort at definition. ---
**Author:** ![Skylark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Skylark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skylark)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/35 "2009-11-16T01:43:23Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Find out the name of that kid if you want to bring him up. I don’t recall his name though I think he was 13. [Jonathan Krohn!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Krohn) > [@](#): > > We can debate how influential he is. Judging by the rate of things these days I’m surprised they haven’t decided he has the wisdom and experience to take Michael Steele’s job --hiy_ooo_ /cheap shot //too easy ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/36 "2009-11-16T01:45:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You mean [The Fellowship, a/k/a The Family?](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)) Odd group, that. Their interpretation of Christianity is power-worship: Whoever rules is manifestly chosen by God. (Wonder if they apply that to Obama . . .) Journalist Jeff Sharlet put out a [book](http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060559799) about them this year. That book is a couple years old at this point. When I clicked that link it told me I ordered it May 2008. The idea that the people in power are manifestly chosen by God is not an uncommon providential viewpoint. Well, it’s a not uncommonly discussed point of theology, but not necessarily widely held by people, particularly since many people subscribe to the ‘fallen world’ view and see the Government as being at worst run by the actual devil, and at best a necessary evil. This is probably a reason why religious conservatism and the belief that the Government can do no right so often go hand in hand. In that sense the Family’s view on it is uncommon in America. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/37 "2009-11-16T01:58:02Z")
Are we including those who don’t actually run for office, but fund the Forces of Darkness from behind the scenes and would turn the redwoods into pulp if there was a buck in it? The Koch Brothers, Darth Charles and Darth David. Runner up, Richard Mellon Scaife, but its a little like comparing typhoid to cholera. ---
**Author:** ![blinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/43a26b/32.png) [@blinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blinkie)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/38 "2009-11-16T02:02:58Z")
Mark Rubio ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/39 "2009-11-16T02:13:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Are we including those who don’t actually run for office, but fund the Forces of Darkness from behind the scenes and would turn the redwoods into pulp if there was a buck in it? > > The Koch Brothers, Darth Charles and Darth David. Runner up, Richard Mellon Scaife, but its a little like comparing typhoid to cholera. > [@blinkie](#): > > Mark Rubio Who are these people? Why are they bad? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686/40 "2009-11-16T02:48:47Z")
Does [Randall Terry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Terry) count? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-scariest-prominent-conservatives-who-are-not-household-names/517686.md?page=3)