# Who are the worst Americans? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 21, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211 "2008-12-21T19:37:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/121 "2008-12-23T07:22:50Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Your response is positively stunning in its ethical frigidity. No one in my family ever owned slaves, and the same is true of most Southern people. It did not matter to Sherman whether people were already poor and suffereing, or in the case of many, not even involved in the dispute between Northern land-grabbers and Southern land-grabbers. If I must condemn the whole world to condemn him too, then so be it. His deeds are not mitigated by the fact that condemning them is inconvenient or impractical. I’m almost loathe to say it, but if the South hadn’t committed treason and started the war to defend state’s rights to allow the owning of slaves, Sherman’s march to the sea would never have happened. There was nothing new in what Sherman did, see for example the 30 years war 1618-1648. Innocents suffer in war, holding Sherman out in particular strikes of personal predjuice. Like it or not, the war boiled down to the South wanting to defend it’s right to own slaves, and they started the war. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/122 "2008-12-23T08:41:21Z")
What a petty assertion. You cannot wipe away the horror of murderous pillage by hypostatizing millions of innocent people into a faceless abstraction you call “the South” and then justify their suffering by calling them an “it” and assigning to them the mind of the Borg. Sherman did not destroy an abstraction; he destroyed the lives of men, women, and children who wanted nothing more than to feed themselves. If you think rulers and politicians have fucked up, then fine. Punish them. But don’t excuse yourself or your deeds just because you can’t tell the difference between a bombastic lunatic who shot at you and a frail old woman watching her house burn down. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/123 "2008-12-23T09:50:36Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > I totally disagree. Bush’s invasion was poorly conceived and executed but it in no way compares to the horrors of Hussein’s regime. Don’t make me laugh. Well, I guess it _is_ true that a person hears only what he wants to hear. > [@](#): > > The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them. > > - > - > - George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair, 1903-1950) If you want to deny reality that’s up to you but the facts are out there for everyone to see. The invasion was a disaster from any point of view and has strained relations between America and its allies. It was a blatant violation of America’s obligations to the international community as spelled out in the charter of the UN. It was immoral and criminal so nothing could make it good but, on top of that it was a disaster. You are correct in that there is no comparison between Iraq under Saddam Hussein and Iraq under Bush: the situation is much worse now. Look at this report prepared by the US government in August 2008: > [@](#): > > [www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33936.pdf](http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33936.pdf) > > **Overall living standards within Iraq have declined sharply since 2003.** > > Since 2003, Iraq’s neighbors have willingly or unwillingly absorbed approximately 2 million refugees fleeing violence and instability in their home country. Jordan and Syria have been the primary destination for the displaced, and by all accounts, both countries have been stretched thin in trying to provide adequate services for largely unwanted refugee populations. > > Many of Iraq’s neighbors fear that they are being overwhelmed by refugees who have fled over Iraq’s borders. There are heightened concerns about the absorptive capacity of neighboring countries, whether they can provide adequately for the populations that have moved across borders, and the impact of refugee flows on stability in general. While there is clear evidence of limited improvement in Iraq — decreasing violence, reduced levels of displacement, and a handful of returns in a few governorates — the situation in general remains precarious and requires sustained attention. UNHCR estimates that the number of > Iraqis displaced within Iraq who need food and shelter exceeds 1 million people. Disastrous Iraqi humanitarian crisis > [@](#): > > [Reports: 'Disastrous' Iraqi humanitarian crisis - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/03/17/iraq.humanitarian/index.html) > > (CNN) – As the war in Iraq reaches its five-year anniversary this week, two of the world’s leading humanitarian groups issued extensive reports Monday describing a crisis of huge proportions with little reason for hope. > > Despite claims that the security situation has improved in recent months, the human rights situation is disastrous," Amnesty International says in its report, titled “Carnage and Despair: Iraq Five Years On.” > > In a summary of the report, Amnesty writes that “a climate of impunity has prevailed, the economy is in tatters and the refugee crisis” keeps escalating. > > The International Committee of the Red Cross, in a report titled “Iraq: No Let-up in the Humanitarian Crisis,” writes, "Despite limited improvements in security in some areas, armed violence is still having a disastrous impact. Civilians continue to be killed in the hostilities. > > “The injured often do not receive adequate medical care. Millions of people have been forced to rely on insufficient supplies of poor-quality water as water and sewage systems suffer from a lack of maintenance and a shortage of engineers.” > [. . . .] > Amnesty also says the Iraqi government and the U.S.-led Multi-National Forces are responsible for some nightmarish circumstances. > > “Civilians are also at risk from Multi-National Forces and Iraqi security forces, with many killed by excessive force and tens of thousands detained without charge or trial,” Amnesty writes in its summary. “The death penalty was reintroduced in 2004 and hundreds of people have been sentenced to death. At least 33 people were executed in 2007, many after unfair trials.” > > In its report, Amnesty says the Iraqi government "has failed to introduce practical measures to deal with the gross and serious human rights violations perpetrated by its security forces. There appears to be no serious willingness to investigate properly the many incidents of abuses, including killings of civilians, torture and rape, and to bring those responsible to justice. > > "The government has also been unable to reign in Shiite militia groups, such as the Mehdi Army, or to rid the Interior Ministry of death squads. > [. . .] > The two reports cite a litany of concerns, including severe widespread poverty, a lack of food and water, and broken families left to scrounge for whatever they can find to get by. Both reports describe a situation that shows no sign of clear improvement. > > Amnesty also says conditions for women have worsened with the rise of fundamentalist religious groups. > [@](#): > > [Iraq's Humanitarian Crisis](http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/crisisindex.htm) > > 2.8 million internally displaced Iraqis live in poor conditions without access to shelter, food, health care and water. Skyrocketing food and rent prices, and little hope of employment exacerbate the difficult situation. This report from the International Organization for Migration (IOM) argues that donor countries must increase assistance to these vulnerable communities as soon as possible. The neighboring countries need help from Europe and US to accommodate the refugees. > [@](#): > > [International Rescue Committee | International Rescue Committee (IRC)](http://www.theirc.org/special-report/iraqi-refugee-crisis.html) > > Iraqi civilians are the battleground in a crisis that gets worse every day. Millions of people are uprooted and in desperate need of help, yet the international response remains inadequate. ---
**Author:** ![Stan\_Shmenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Stan\_Shmenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stan_Shmenge)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/124 "2008-12-23T10:08:22Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > See post #51. Warping the minds of thousands of impressionable college students with his nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/125 "2008-12-23T14:14:03Z")
> [@Stan\_Shmenge](#): > > Warping the minds of thousands of impressionable college students with his nonsense. Ah. Well, I’ve never read any of Chomsky’s books (keep meaning to get around, you know how it is), but I’ve seen a documentary on him and heard him interviewed on the radio many times, and I have yet to hear him speak a word of nonsense. Do you have anything particular in mind? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/126 "2008-12-23T14:17:29Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Wow, that’s a strech. What, he negotiated a peace accord with Israel’s most powerful neighbor at Camp David that has lasted since 1979? What an anti-semetic bastard! I think they’re referring to his more recent [book,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Peace_Not_Apartheid) which (rightly) accuses Israel of maintaining an “Apartheid” regime over the Palestinians. ---
**Author:** ![UnwrittenNocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/6de8d8/32.png) [@UnwrittenNocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwrittenNocturne)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/127 "2008-12-23T22:07:55Z")
Chomsky would sit somewhere near the top of my list of _greatest_ Americans. And I stand by what I said of Rand. Her particularly vile ‘philosophy’ has been responsible, if not for many deaths, then at least for a systematic rejection of common human decency for countless people. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/128 "2008-12-23T22:20:03Z")
> [@Blalron](#): > > Lyndon Baines Johnson. \ He may not have started it, but he escalated the war to a significant degree. Of course, you could say this about the civil rights movement. Most of the big changes happend under LBJ, not JFK. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/129 "2008-12-23T22:44:35Z")
> [@UnwrittenNocturne](#): > > And I stand by what I said of Rand. Her particularly vile ‘philosophy’ has been responsible, if not for many deaths, then at least for a systematic rejection of common human decency for countless people. I wouldn’t say **countless** people. How many American Libertarians or Objectivists or serious Rand-quoters have there been, after all? I think of _Atlas Shrugged_ as more of a cult-item, like the _Rocky Horror Picture Show,_ than a real cultural-political-canon-item like Orwell’s _Nineteen Eighty-Four._ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/130 "2008-12-23T22:44:39Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > What a petty assertion. You cannot wipe away the horror of murderous pillage by hypostatizing millions of innocent people into a faceless abstraction you call “the South” and then justify their suffering by calling them an “it” and assigning to them the mind of the Borg. Sherman did not destroy an abstraction; he destroyed the lives of men, women, and children who wanted nothing more than to feed themselves. If you think rulers and politicians have fucked up, then fine. Punish them. But don’t excuse yourself or your deeds just because you can’t tell the difference between a bombastic lunatic who shot at you and a frail old woman watching her house burn down. But you still haven’t shown how what Sherman did was different from what any other general in a modern war has done. And if all generals are equally condemned for fighting wars, then the list of generals who were objectively worse than Sherman (in simple terms of numbers of people displaced) is longer than my arm. But you’ve listed him as the fourth worst person ever to be born from the American people. Which designation, I must conclude is solely due to the fact that his actions were carried out against your ancestors, and that had they been carried out _on behalf_ of them, you’d have no problem with his actions. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/131 "2008-12-23T22:47:15Z")
The six unknown founders of th Ku Klux Klan Nathan Bedford Forrest, the first National Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan D.W. Griffith who’s movie _[Birth of a Nation_ glamorized and revitalized the Ku Klux Klan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/132 "2008-12-23T23:05:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > But you still haven’t shown how what Sherman did was different from what any other general in a modern war has done. Are you joking? I have enumerated his atrocities again and again. He is an American who destroyed Americans and America. (If you argue that the CSA was a foreign country, your argument will not hold.) That’s what this thread is about, isn’t it? It seems to me that there is a difference between a bad American and a bad person. A bad American to qualify for this list, as I see it, must of necessity be bad FOR America. Otherwise, he’s just a bad person who happens to be American. In fact, as you can see, my whole list is characterized the same way: Americans fucking with America. If you do not like the way I composed my list, that’s fine. But the suggestion that some other American general in some other war has done more harm to America than Sherman is ridiculous — with the obvious exception of the vile and loathesome Jackson, whom I listed in first place. > [@](#): > > And if all generals are equally condemned for fighting wars, then the list of generals who were objectively worse than Sherman (in simple terms of numbers of people displaced) is longer than my arm. But you’ve listed him as the fourth worst person ever to be born from the American people. Which designation, I must conclude is solely due to the fact that his actions were carried out against your ancestors, and that had they been carried out _on behalf_ of them, you’d have no problem with his actions. Well, you must do what you must. That’s not my problem. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/133 "2008-12-23T23:06:48Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > D.W. Griffith who’s movie _[Birth of a Nation_ glamorized and revitalized the Ku Klux Klan “Revitalized”? You mean [resurrected!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_klux_klan#The_second_Klan_1915-1944) (Griffith made [_Intolerance_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerance_(film)) the following year, perhaps to show that **he,** at least, did not actually approve of prejudice.) ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/134 "2008-12-23T23:24:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Nor was he nominated; the comparison remains relevant in assessing **Bush.** I don’t see why a comparison is needed; the OP simply asked “Who are the worst Americans?” or words to that effect. I had the idea the OP was asking for opinions and not some sort of matrix to sort out ‘bad,’ ‘badder,’ and baddest.’ Even so, I will agree that Saddam Hussein was very bad; in my opinion, Bush is worse. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/135 "2008-12-23T23:31:48Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Revitalized”? You mean [resurrected!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_klux_klan#The_second_Klan_1915-1944) > > (Griffith made [_Intolerance_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerance_(film)) the following year, perhaps to show that **he,** at least, did not actually approve of prejudice.) Just since it fits in nicely here, I’d like to republish a portion of my **50 Most Important Hollywood Films** listing, which included the two movies you mention. 1. **Intolerance** 1916, D.W. Griffith A remarkable example of too little too late, this monumental dramatic epic, costing a whopping half-million dollars to make, was intended by Griffith to be a defensive response to critics of Birth of a Nation. Dismayed by charges of racism, he put together a dazzling nonlinear movie that used more than fifty transitions from ancient Babylon to the then modern day. It showed how the words and deeds of historic villains (Babylonian priests, Queen Catherine’s evil court, hypocritical Pharisees, and mill owner Jenkins) set in motion social codes and ethics that resulted in dire consequences for modern man. Using his greatest star, Lillian Gish, as Walt Whitman’s Eternal Motherhood to tie together scenes that spanned nearly the whole of human history, Griffith ultimately failed to unring the bell. Incredibly brilliant and innovative cinematic techniques were insufficient to overcome what he already had unleashed. Too complex and baffling for average viewers, and burdened by exorbitantly expensive production, the ahead-of-their-time techniques in the film backfired, leaving in their wake a commercial failure. Ultimately, his staunch pacifism did not resonate with a nation itching to fight a war. He died in 1948, still haunted by the irreversible stigma of “that other film”. 1. **The Birth of a Nation** 1915, D.W. Griffith Originally titled The Clansman, after Rev. Thomas Dixon Jr.'s play, this movie spawned controversy like never before (or since) seen. Law suits, picketing, and even street unrest (including massive riots that peaked in 1919) throughout the country followed the movie for decades as it was re-cut and re-released in 1924, 1931, and 1938. Shortly after its release, the NAACP published a 47-page pamphlet, “Fighting a Vicious Film: Protest Against The Birth of a Nation”. The National Board of Censorship of Motion Pictures debated fiercely over whether the movie should be shown in New York, but once it opened, it sold more than 3 million tickets in 11 months (an astounding number for the time). Although it was denounced with scathing reviews from horrified critics, President Woodrow Wilson (after the first ever screening of a film in the White House) reportedly declared, “It is like writing history with lightning. And my only regret is that it is all so terribly true.” It is a blatantly racist depiction of the birth of the Ku Klux Klan, and is in fact still used today both as a recruitment tool by the Klan, and as an education tool by the NAACP. Despite all that, it is heralded by most movie scholars as the most important American film ever made. It was as technically innovative as Citizen Kane, thanks in large part to cameraman Billy Bitzer, who pioneered a whole slew of techniques, including the “iris effect” (expanding and contracting circular masks). It was the first film with its own orchestral score, the first to use night photography, the first to use moving (or “panning”) camera shots, the first to use total screen close-ups, and much more. It even had a hand color engraved sequence at the end. The film had already made a mind-boggling $18 million dollars before the first talkie was ever released. Because of its lingering controversy, its pioneering technical brilliance, its innovative artistic advancements, and its sheer longevity, this is the movie I’ve selected as the most important Hollywood film ever made. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/136 "2008-12-23T23:52:35Z")
Griffith is also credited, if that is the word, with [_Martyrs of the Alamo_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0005719/) (I saw a clip once on a PBS documentary and the anti-Mexican racism is unmistakeable); but I’m not clear on what his role in it was – his name appears nowhere in this [url=]IMDb entry. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/137 "2008-12-23T23:55:51Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > Well, I guess it _is_ true that a person hears only what he wants to hear. IMO it’s _your_ partisanship that is getting in the way. I disagree with the 600k number but I do agree with this: plenty of people have died because of the invasion, more than we’d ever want to see. I am not blind to that. What is silly is pretending that before the invasion things were better; I believe you are allowing your hatred for Bush to color your opinion of pre-war Iraq. Hussein was a brutal, evil dictator. Outside of his cadre of Sunni acolytes no one had a hope for a bright future. Despite all the mistakes that Bush has made (and they are legion) Iraqis have hope for a better future. From your own cite: > [@](#): > > Saddam Hussein’s brutal regime left a legacy of displacement, as his regime forcibly displaced Iraqi Shiites and Kurds in order to control territory, terrorize the population, and fight insurrection. Some experts estimate as many as 1.5 million may have been displaced over the three decades of his regime. The situation in Iraq is not good but let’s remember where it came from. > [@LouisB](#): > > Even so, I will agree that Saddam Hussein was very bad; in my opinion, Bush is worse. You would rather have live under Hussein than Bush? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/138 "2008-12-24T00:03:09Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Griffith is also credited, if that is the word, with [_Martyrs of the Alamo_](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0005719/) (I saw a clip once on a PBS documentary and the anti-Mexican racism is unmistakeable); but I’m not clear on what his role in it was – his name appears nowhere in this [url=]IMDb entry. I’m not sure who would credit that film to Griffith. It was written, produced, and directed by W.C. Cabanne. He was at one time an employee of Griffith, but that relation doesn’t really tie Griffith to the movie. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/139 "2008-12-24T00:11:32Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’m not sure who would credit that film to Griffith. It was written, produced, and directed by W.C. Cabanne. He was at one time an employee of Griffith, but that relation doesn’t really tie Griffith to the movie. Well, the PBS documentary I saw did. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211/140 "2008-12-24T00:13:06Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Despite all the mistakes that Bush has made (and they are legion) Iraqis have hope for a better future. The Vietnamese had a hope for a better future in 1975 (not before). And now they’ve **got** a better future/present. Which does not mean they have any reason to thank JFK, LBJ, or Nixon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-the-worst-americans/478211.md?page=8)