What the hell are you talking about? Jesus.
Probably true. At the time, the Japanese government was drilling the general population as a militia for a last-ditch defense of the home islands from an expected Allied invasion, and since there were not enough rifles to go around, they were drilling with spears.* Imagine how that would have played out! :eek:
*From Modern Times, by Paul Johnson.
Go for Grant he was the boss. He used Sherman to do his dirty work.
This question is meaningless in the context of this thread; the OP asked who were the worst Americans and Hussein was introduced into the thread. Hussein is not an American and never was; had he been dictator of America, your question might have some relevance; otherwise it doesn’t. It is my privilege to assert that Bush is worse than Hussein and whose rule I would prefer doesn’t enter into it. Bush has done far more damage to Iraq than Hussein ever did. If you want a cite, go back and read the leading newspapers for the past eight years.
FWIW, I don’t think there can be any question that the Average German on the Street deserves credit for a great deal more responsibility for the Nazi’s policies than we tend to give them when we too-charitably distinguish between “Nazi” and “German citizen.” The Nazis rose in a culture that made them possible, if not inevitable, and the connivance of the German people was one of the essential factors in making the Holocaust possible.
Yes, personal attacks are a resort when facts do not support what you are saying.
Why don’t you answer / attack the authors of the reports I mentioned?
What do you have to say about this report prepared by the US government in August 2008:
Is it that the US government’s “partisanship and hatred for Bush” is getting in their way of seeing how rosy things are in Iraq? Does the Red Cross suffer of the same? All other NGOs?
Can you provide reliable cites which contradict that?
Homeland Security predict Increasing numbers of Iraqis are expected to migrate to the U.S. in the next five years, a sure sign that things are going swimmingly well in Iraq and all thanks to the great president Bush.
Of course, these will be only the few who are let in because after causing the huge humanitarian and refugee crisis the USA has not taken in any significant numbers of refugees.
And all thanks to GW Bush!
Amnesty International 2008 report on Iraq
And all thanks to George Bush!
Read the report and tell me things are better now in Iraq.
Why and what for? I mean even IF we had indisputable casualty numbers (which we don’t for as you surely know the US “doesn’t do body counts”) what the hell would that prove? George W. Bush, slightly less murderous for Iraqis than Saddam in six years than the latter in twenty-five? Something to be real proud of, isn’t it?
But ok, fine, say I give you that one (and I’d certainly argue otherwise simply because just about any sentient being would have rather lived in Iraq pre-invasion) and you pat yourself on the back and puff out your chest…but with just one rather small though important quibble: Saddam and his cohorts; positively lambs when it came to killing Americans. IOW, they did NOTHING to deserve Bush’s (and his ilk) wrath as they had zilch to do with anything they were “accused” of.
Gaadh…so freaking sick & tired of Apologists for mass murderers.
Here’s an article where you can “play” with any number of casualty figures: Iraq violence, in figures
Tell you what, find me one that comes close to justifying the butchery you’ve perpetuated on the people of Iraq and we’ll take it from there.
Hmmm…on preview, I see that my chances are somewhere between slim and none as sailor has already provided more than enough salient cites for anyone to attempt to justify this atrocity at such a late time in the game – so to speak. For I know of no “game” that murders people wholesale such as war – and a fabricated one at that.
That said, my apologies lissener, if I’ve momentarily derailed your thread. It’s just that I couldn’t contain myself after reading Deeg’s first insulting post…and yes, that is exactly what it was, insulting. Perhaps it may have been tolerable and/or debatable three/our years ago. No more. Everyone here’s seen the cards face side up. So enough with the absurd – partisan or nationalistic, both are just as bad/wrong – excuses and/or lame apologies.
I bet you’d be hard pressed to find many Americans who have even heard of her.
It may be out of context of the original OP but it is apropos to your assertion of who’s worse. You’d rather live under Hussein than Bush?
I quoted your own cite: Saddam Hussein’s brutal regime left a legacy of displacement, as his regime forcibly displaced Iraqi Shiites and Kurds in order to control territory, terrorize the population, and fight insurrection. Some experts estimate as many as 1.5 million may have been displaced over the three decades of his regime. The situation in Iraq is poor but torture, assassinations, and gassings are no longer the instruments of the government.
Wouldn’t that be a sign that the political situation is better? How many Iraqis were allowed to leave Iraq under Hussein?
Read about the Halabja poison gas attack, mass graves in Ash Sham desert, and the Al-Anfal Campaign and tell me how things are worse.
I totally agree. It makes me sad to see people defending Saddam Hussein over Bush.
Most Iraqis certainly would.
You know it is a bad idea to bring up Saddam’s use of poison gas since he did it with American help and encouragement. The farce which was the trial of Saddam Hussein made absolutely sure that this topic was never brought up because it would have put America in a tricky situation.
But hey, you still won’t answer. Maybe you missed this?
Can you read that? Le me repeat: Overall living standards within Iraq have declined sharply since 2003. In other words, since the American invasion. And that’s the American government who says it.
Let me re-iterate: Overall living standards within Iraq have declined sharply since 2003.
Deeg, your turn.
Had I been a native born citizen of Iraq during Saddam’s reign, the answer would be yes, I would have preferred Saddam Husein to George W. Bush. However, I am not and have never been a native born citizen of Iraq so your (repeated) question is irrelevant and not at all apropos to the question. The OP asked 'who are the worst AMERICANS. Why can you not get that straight in your mind? Saddam Husein was NOT an American even though he was one of America’s favorite dictators at one time. And just to save you some time and trouble, this is the last time I will respond to your (very foolish) question.
I totally disagree. I think for the Kurds it’s an easy decision to stay with the current climate as I believe they’ve been relatively stable. I have a hard time believing that Shi’ites preferred the oppression of Hussein. We’ll have to agree to disagree unless you can offer a good cite.
Whether that’s true or not is outside the scope of Bush because he had nothing to do with it. Hussein gassed his citizens. Whether he had help or not does not alter the fact that he gassed them. (As a side I note I reject the allegation that the US had any major involvement in the gassing. Some of the chemicals came from the US but most did not.)
I’ve already responded. Twice. I’ve said multiple times that there are plenty of problems in Iraq. Living standards is (according to your report) is one of them. However your own cite mentions the “brutality” of Hussein.
What does being a natural born citizen have to do with it? You keep changing the topic. You did, however, answer the question.
Comparing Bush to Hussein is a valid question when determining how “bad” Bush is; context is required. Truman was responsible for (IIR) 55k deaths in Korea. FDR many more in WW II. Lincoln’s actions caused 100’s of thousands of Americans their lives. Without context they were all worse than Bush.
OK, so, Bush, according to you is slightly less bad than Saddam Hussein. I still think that he is one of the worst Americans ever. He started a criminal war, against the commitments made to the UN, which has cost America a lot of goodwill and support around the world. He has authorised torture and indefinite imprisonment in Guantanamo which has also cost America a lot of good will and support around the world. And he has facked up everything he has done. What he has done is both criminal and counterproductive. There is no doubt that he is one of the worst Americans ever.
How do you know this? There are too many of us to breast the tape all at once.
I think the Chinese are the worst Americans.
Not to mention Saddam Hussein. Now he was a real bad American. He was so bad he wasnt even an American. You can’t get much worse than that.
Right. It appears we’ve established Bush is, debatably, slightly better than Saddam. Ho boy! How’s that for small apples?
Having said that, where are the rest of The Apologists that justified this clusterfuck to begin with? As in the ones that argued against all common sense that “you were fighting them over there so you wouldn’t have to fight them over here” so SH couldn’t use his WMDs Stateside? Fear mongering aside, my croc’ boots are a damn sight more dangerous – specially when I deliver a direct scrotum hit. Turns a tenor into a soprano quicker that anything they could do in Guantanamo.
Once again my apologies lissener. But this time at least I’ve given you the Number One Gimp on my list…
Point being, for those not too keen of recall, that AQ had dick-all to do with Saddam’s Iraq – in fact they were mortal political enemies.
AQ in Iraq now? Which group, tendency aside, that feels the urge, isn’t there that wasn’t before? Any and all that’s who. Iran’s especially grateful BTW.
Thus I hereby nominate George Herbert Bush as THE worst American in my lifetime. And looking back at LBJ, Nixon and teflon Reagan, The Patron Saint of All Conservatives, that’s high praise indeed. Or not.
Tip your flute of Cava to the man. For finding a bigger imbecile as a CIC of your formidable Armed Forces is certainly setting the bar way beyond normal human beings. Then again, it’s rather obvious most Americans do things differently. Or, simply put, don’t give a shit when it comes to FP or their effects on the rest of us.
As to the OP – a list on the fly only considering characters in my lifetime:
#2: Henry Kissinger. Might have had a huge dick judging from the women he dated. Which has absolutely zilch to do with the enormous amount of people he had killed.
#3: LBJ. Conniving SOB. Whatever good he did for CR, he screwed the pooch with his VA strategy.
#4: LHO even if not intentionally, he may have caused, or did, a complete turn about in American History.
#5: R. Nixon. If you don’t agree, something called Google might become your friend. Cold blooded killer as they come.
#6: J. Edgar Hoover – we can thank him for aiding and abetting America’s Curent Quasi-Police State
#7: Rush Limbaugh – likely the biggest source of partisan hatred in this nation.
#8: Dick Chaney. Darth Vader personified. What else needs to be said.
#9:Paul Wolfowitz: Aside his own, whose interest did he promote?
#10: Too many to choose from. This one’s a freebie. Though having nothing to do with my lifestyle, if it was left up to me, any number of homophobic, deranged and ignorant ‘celebrities’ would certainly fit here.