Who are your country's best-known (historic) military leaders?

From Switzerland, the names that I can think of without looking them up:

General Guisan, led the Swiss troops during World War II (i.e. organized the defense of Switzerland - no fighting of course); he’s well-known because he led the country during the most recent war on its borders

General Dufour - the leader of the winning side in the 1847 civil war in Switzerland, the Sonderbund (protestants vs. catholics)

Divico - tried to lead a mass exodus of the Helvetians from modern-day Switzerland to modern-day France to escape the invading Germans from the North. Divico was beaten by Julius Caesar and the Helvetians had to return to modern-day Switzerland.

Anyone else find the concept of a Swiss civil war astonishing?

Better? No.

More evenly matched, without all the women and kids to get in the way? Probably.

Pish tosh. :slight_smile: Oh, OK, the Op did ask about Generals and the like.

Well… in that case… and still fudging from the OP, I’ll offer a Brit, Major Bagnold (yes, yes… just a Major… but with a very odd and detached command) :), who led the Long Range Desert Group, which consisted (initially) of NZ troops released to the Brits by Fryberg, and was later quite a Commonwealth operation.

Maybe Papineau and Mackenzie, but I think they qualify more as political leaders than military leaders. Wolfred Nelson apparently did command Patriote forces during the Rebellions, and while he’s not especially well-known I did know his name.

You’ve never read Starship Troopers??? :wink:

More seriously, as a lawyer, you would probably find The Last Day, The Last Hour - The Currie Libel Trial, by Justice Sharpe of the Ontario Court of Appeal, a very interesting read.

Much of Norway’s history is a history of getting dragged into other people’s wars, but…

There’s always Tordenskjold.

Mind you, that wasn’t his real name, which was the rather boring Peter Wessel. Still, you have to figure that a guy who would come to get the nickname of Thunder Shield was not destined for life as a bank clerk.

In the Creek War, Americans killed Creek civilians, and Creeks killed American civilians (and Creeks killed Creek civilians. It was a Creek civil war). In fact, one of the things that brought the Americans into the war was the Fort Mims Massacre, where Creek Red Sticks killed almost 300 American civilians, including women and children. In fact, there weren’t that many civilian Creek deaths in the war.

Why would you find it astonishing? The Swiss are always very polite, even nowadays.

What, no Wilhelm Tell? :wink:

The Bulgarians claim Belisarius, possible the greatest general ever to live. Do not contradict them on this.

You also had a couple of guys called William of Orange. They seemed to know their way around a battlefield.

Yes, and as I mentioned earlier, Maurice of Nassau and Frederik Hendrik, Prince of Orange, the latter of whom had what is undoubtedly the best funeral procession of all time (hint - click on the image to magnify it.)

Well done. :smiley:

Oh, Upham unquestionably had balls enough for a dozen ordinary men, and could well from his biography have been a thorough-going asshole in ordinary life, though he calmed down after the war - but there are times when an asshole is just what you need, as long as it’s mostly the other side he’s being an asshole too. A bit like Douglas Bader if you ask me. (Interesting that they were both at Colditz at the same time, but neither’s biography mentions the other. It’s surprising that the old castle was able to accommodate those two outsize personalities.)

Revenons a nos moutons…

Ah, the LRDG. And in a similar vein, Orde Wingate, a card-carrying oddball but one who handed the Japanese a few surprises at the very least.

First ones that spring to mind:

William Wallace
Robert the Bruce
Bonnie Prince Charlie
Hector “Fighting Mac” MacDonald

I thought Douglas Haig would get the nod in Scotland.

Oh darn, can’t believe I forgot big Dougie Haig! Good call, Cicero.

I guess Haig is probably not as well known as William Wallace or Robert the Bruce but he certainly wielded far more power than either.

I doubt anyone outside Scotland would have heard of William Wallace if not for Braveheart. He wasn’t mentioned in any of my history textbooks, that’s for sure (although the schools I went to only taught Scottish history as it related to English history, such as when James VI took the English throne too).

I’m anyone. Darn it all :).