# Who are your "Freebies" and who are your "MILF"'s **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259 "2010-09-19T03:52:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/41 "2011-07-26T00:30:45Z")
With the birth of Mariah’s twins, my updated list (and occupation) “Freebies” 1.Michelle Kwan (athlete) 2.Jarah Mariano (model) 3.Jessie Gomes (model) 4.Eva Mendes (actress) 5.America Ferrera (actress) "MILF"s 1.Mariah Carey (singer) 2.Jessica Alba (actress) 3.Brooke Burke (TV host) 4.Kiana Tom (Fitness Guru) 5.Catherine Zeta-Jones (actress) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/42 "2011-07-26T01:45:16Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > With the birth of Mariah’s twins, my updated list (and occupation) Big mistake. You’re now pretty much inevitably going to have a chance to sleep with Kimora Lee Simmons and have to decline it. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/43 "2011-07-26T01:59:33Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Jessica Alba > Brooke Burke > Kimora Lee Simmons > Kiana Tom > Catherine Zeta-Jones Jessica Alba is a mere 18 months older than my daughter. Kimora Lee Simmons was born after I graduated from college. Kiana Tom is apparently the oldest woman on the list, and I was in jr. high when she was born. I am too old to participate in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/44 "2011-07-26T02:08:58Z")
Freebie: Adele MILF: Helen Mirren ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/45 "2011-07-26T02:10:39Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > I am too old to participate in this thread. Tell me about it. At my age, Jane Seymour and Helen Mirren are too young to be MILF’s. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/46 "2011-07-26T02:16:24Z")
Milfs? Wifey Erica Lauren What? ---
**Author:** ![JpnDude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/838e76/32.png) [@JpnDude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JpnDude)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/47 "2011-07-26T02:26:27Z")
In no particular order… My list of Freebies: Tyra Banks (American model/presenter) Monica Bellucci (Italian actress/model) Sara Varone (Italian model/presenter) Pamela David (Argentinian actress/model) Aya Sugimoto (Japanese actress/model) MILFS: Jane Seymour (actress) Diane Lane (actress) Helen Mirren (actress) Gong Li (Chinese actress w/no kids… could she be considered a MILF?) Vanessa Williams (actress/singer) ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/48 "2011-07-26T02:34:35Z")
Freebies: Amy Adams Tina Fey Carey Mulligan Karen Gillian MILFs: Not interested… ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/49 "2011-07-26T02:35:05Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > OK, that makes sense. I admit, I’m not God’s gift to women! More sensibly, assume that **etv78** just saved one of these women from the wreck of a burning car, incurring painful but non-debilitating burns to a part of his body that would not prevent him from having sex. And, due to some deep personal problems, the only way the woman in question can express her gratitude is physically. By the way, in current porn, “MILF” seems to now mean “woman over 20 years of age”. BTW, **etv78** Michelle Kwan Mariah Carey Jarah Mariano Eva Mendes America Ferrera Admirably wide-ranging selection. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/50 "2011-07-26T02:54:39Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > More sensibly, assume that **etv78** just saved one of these women from the wreck of a burning car, incurring painful but non-debilitating burns to a part of his body that would not prevent him from having sex. And, due to some deep personal problems, the only way the woman in question can express her gratitude is physically. > > By the way, in current porn, “MILF” seems to now mean “woman over 20 years of age”. > > BTW, **etv78** > > Michelle Kwan > Mariah Carey > Jarah Mariano > Eva Mendes > America Ferrera > > Admirably wide-ranging selection. Do you feel that way about my updated lists? Also: define “wide ranging”? Do you mean ethnically or vocationally? ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/51 "2011-07-26T03:03:13Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Do you feel that way about my updated lists? Also: define “wide ranging”? Do you mean ethnically or vocationally? Vocationally, ethnically and by body type. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/52 "2011-07-26T03:06:00Z")
A young woman I knew once asked me why men think it’s such a big deal to talk about who they’d like to fuck. She said “So what? _Every_ guy wants to fuck us!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/53 "2011-07-26T03:10:22Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > By the way, in current porn, “MILF” seems to now mean “woman over 20 years of age”. My guess is that the guys who talk the most about MILF’s are adolescents (who probably talk the most about sex in general) so the concept of an older woman to them equates to a woman who’s around 30. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/54 "2011-07-26T07:07:48Z")
Freebies: Summer Glau (_Terminator: SCC, Dollhouse_) Olivia Wilde (_House, Cowboys & Aliens_) Alison Brie (_Community_) Stana Katic (_Castle_) Deborah Ann Woll (_True Blood_) MILFs: Heidi Klum (supermodel, host of _Project Runway_) Sofia Vergara (_Modern Family_) Salli Richardson-Whitfield (_Eureka_) Helena Bonham-Carter (_Tim Buron movies, Harry Potter, The King’s Speech_) Katey Sagal (_Married… With Children, Lost, Sons of Anarchy_) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/55 "2011-07-26T10:52:09Z")
I never did explain my definition of MILF. Limiting it to people that have children just your age, even with a wide berth, is too narrow. MILF means someone who has a child that is within the “half your age + 7” rule. It can then be extended to someone who is old enough to have said child, even if they don’t. (Assuming motherhood at whenever the average is for their community.) Or, to be less technical, the idea is just that it’s a generation older than you would be expected to date. If you have or could have a daughter that I could date without raising any eyebrows, you’re a MILF. Finally, there’s the whole subjective thing. What I was getting at is that I’ve never seen MILF used as something personal in the media. People seem to be objectively called MILFs–and, in that case, it refers to a hot woman with an adult child–and the child is usually thought of as hot in their own right. By the way, all attractive cougars are necessarily MILFs , by my (laxer) definition. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/56 "2011-07-26T17:20:29Z")
**Origin of MILF?** Is there any usage of the term prior to **American Pie**? ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2011, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/57 "2011-07-26T18:51:25Z")
> [@Lanzy](#): > > I’m not allowed any. +1 ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/58 "2011-08-08T21:33:00Z")
My current lists by DOB: “Freebies” 1.7/7/80 2.11/23/84 3.4/18/85 4.3/5/74 5.4/18/84 "MILF"s 1.3/27/70 2.4/28/81 3.9/8/71 4.3/14/65 5.9/25/69 ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2012, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/59 "2012-09-13T21:09:37Z")
My revised lists “Freebies” 1.Michelle Kwan 2.Jarah Mariano 3.Jessie Gomes 4.Eva Mendes 5.America Ferrera "MILF"s 1.Mariah Carey 2.Vanessa Mannillo 3.Jessica Alba 4.Brooke Burke 5.Catherine Zeta-Jones ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259/60 "2012-09-14T18:35:58Z")
Re-zombie alert! > [@Algher](#): > > Ever since the Friends episode, my wife asked me for my list of 5: > > Madonna > Lucy Lawless > Angelina Jolie > Joan Jett > Ally Sheedy But did you laminate it? > [@gaffa](#): > > By the way, in current porn, “MILF” seems to now mean “woman over 20 years of age”. The porn industry is marketing itself to fetishes. Women move from the “teen” category (can be 30 in pigtails, as long as she is petite, skinny, young-looking) straight to “MILF”. There’s no regular hot women, it has to be MILF. The origin of the term is definitely loaded to when it is relevant to talk about older women you’d like to fuck, so it was set for teenagers talking about the mothers of their buddies and the like that they would like to fuck. Thus the designation. Agewise, that sets the limit in the late 30s to lower 50s. That is where the label gets assigned as an “objective” descriptor. Not to be confused with “cougars”. To differentiate: MILF = Mother I’d Like to Fuck Cougar = Mother who would like to fuck me Cougar does not necessarily imply attractive, just on the prowl for younger men. Though it’s only sexy if she is attractive. If she’s not attractive, it’s just scary. Once you’re an adult, it becomes less meaningful to label women in that age zone as MILFs, as they rapidly enter your acceptable dating zone. The distinction of if they have procreated or not is not really the point. And once you are older than them, it’s pretty silly to use the term. It could reasonably\* be extended to a subjective term to refer to anyone of the generation older than you, say someone old enough to have a daughter your age. That makes it a bit less cross-relational, as the subjective nature means the person you are talking two may not share your point of reference. That’s why the objective category is at least useful. By the way, I’m single, so I get unlimited freebies. 😉 Not that that improves my odds. ☹ ## And Jessica Alba, at 31, has 4 more years minimum before hitting MILF territory. - If it’s reasonable to categorize women by their reproductive status for the virtue of defining whether they are hot or not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-are-your-freebies-and-who-are-your-milf-s/554259.md?page=4)