# Who best epitomized the out-of-control lifestyle of rock and roll? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 1, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677 "2015-01-01T14:32:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/101 "2015-02-09T03:04:51Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > I had to deal with **G.G. Allin** a couple of times in a law enforcement capacity. > > **WOW**! What a fucking asshole that guy was. :eek::mad: > > It’s 33 years this year I’ve been on the job and he still ranks in the top 10 of the biggest jerks I’ve ever dealt with! I’ve never heard of G.G. Allin, although that doesn’t mean much. I looked him up in Wikopedia > **[GG Allin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GG_Allin)** > > Kevin Michael "GG" Allin (born Jesus Christ Allin; August 29, 1956 – June 28, 1993) was an American punk rock musician who performed and recorded with many groups during his career. His live performances often featured transgressive acts, including self-mutilation, defecating on stage, and assaulting audience members, for which he was arrested and imprisoned on multiple occasions. AllMusic called him "the most spectacular degenerate in rock n' roll history", while G4TV's That's Tough lab Know... He seems to be about half way between normalcy and insanity. Maybe even more than halfway? The toughest man in Rock? That is quite a label. But it doesn’t even come close to “Moon the Loon”. By the way, I didn’t make that up. That was what people really chose to give him as a nickname. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/102 "2015-02-09T03:08:59Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I just thought of another “anti-rock star” - Tom Scholz of Boston. He has a master’s degree from MIT, and got that long before he ever founded Boston. > > When I was a teenager, I saw an ad in a music magazine for a “Groupie News” magazine, and it had a picture of a man with his pants around his ankles and his bare fanny pointed at the camera, and Scholz’ head cut-and-pasted on it in a 1970s approximation of Photoshop that could have been done better by a 4th grader with a glue stick. 😛 > > It’s always possible that he was secretly a wild man in his time. I’ve heard for many years that back in the day, and maybe even to this day, two of the biggest poonhounds in rock are Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick, and Huey Lewis. Bare fanny pointed at the camera? Well, how would that compare to Madonna at the Grammys? Best check the following link quickly. Drudge has a habit of changing around his links quickly. [http://variety.com/2015/music/news/grammy-madonna-outfit-photos-red-carpet-2015-1201428200/](http://variety.com/2015/music/news/grammy-madonna-outfit-photos-red-carpet-2015-1201428200/) Yuck! is all I can say. She’s what? 70 years old? Time to sit your ass down in a rocking chair and knit your fans some sweaters. Or better yet, knit yourself an ass coverer? I know that some of you will say, "If my ass looked that good at 70, I would proudly display it everywhere I could. Well, good for you. I understand. But I remember Madonna when I was 30 and it just blows my mind to see her today with that ass when I remember her as a very hot 20 year old something. Getting old is not for the weak. I hate being in my 60s. I want to cry. P.S. For the record, Madonna is 56 years old. I should have said that up front. She was born Aug 16, 1958 > **[Madonna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_%28entertainer%29)** > > Madonna Louise Ciccone\[a\] (/tʃɪˈkoʊni/; born August 16, 1958) is an American singer, songwriter, record producer, and actress. Regarded as the "Queen of Pop", she has been recognized for her continual reinvention and versatility in music production, songwriting and visual presentation. Madonna's works, which incorporate social, political, sexual, and religious themes, have generated both controversy and critical acclaim. A cultural icon spanning both the 20th and 21st centuries, the Rock and... ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/103 "2015-02-09T04:19:36Z")
> [@Charlie\_Wayne](#): > > Janice, Hendrix, Jim Morrison are just three that come to mind. Lots of 27 year olds to choose from, [enough to warrant a name/concept](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club). ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/104 "2015-02-09T04:41:42Z")
> [@thelurkinghorror](#): > > Lots of 27 year olds to choose from, [enough to warrant a name/concept](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club). The cite you have linked to contains the following: “The theme is referenced in the song “27 Forever” by Eric Burdon, on his 2013 album 'Til Your River Runs Dry.” Eric Burdon is now 73. I can’t imagine being 73 and being concerned with people who made it past 27. Of course, I said the same thing when I was in my 20s and then my 30s and then my 40s … and it just goes on … Getting old is not for the weak minded. It takes a lot of strength to deal with everything you have to put up with as you age. But an older man who was in his 60s used to make fun of me. I called him an old man because he was in his 60s. He told me, “You will be lucky if you make it to your 60s.” Damn that old man. He was right. Why is it that people who are significantly older than me always seem to be significantly smarter than I am? One day I will wake up and realize that I am lucky to have aged as much as I did. But that will probably be the last day that … ---
**Author:** ![TCMF-2L](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tcmf-2l/32/16553_2.png) [@TCMF-2L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TCMF-2L)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/105 "2015-02-09T11:46:09Z")
Charlie The link you gave shows Madonna flashing her rear end by lifting an already short skirt. It’s not actual nudity. She is wearing fishnet tights (hosiery) so her buttocks and hips are essentially covered by the thin, fishnet material. The entire area is also delineated by thicker bands of material. I am younger than you and, while not especially attracted to Madonna, I would have to say, on the basis of that rear view alone, that is not an especially unwelcome sight and in the extremely unlikely event I should find Madonna in my bed I would not kick her out. Not immediately anyway. But perhaps I have lower standards than you. TCMF-2L :o (Just in case) ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2015, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/106 "2015-02-09T18:45:48Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Stories please, even if you PM me. > > Hell do a thread on the jerks even if you don’t identify them by name! I second this request. I find it fascinating the things people pull when they are convinced that they are the center of the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Annoying\_Buzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Annoying\_Buzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annoying_Buzz)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/107 "2015-02-10T07:52:43Z")
Not a specific anti-rock star, but Richard Coles, formerly of the Communards, told an anecdote on _QI_ about touring together with several other bands. One morning a member of one of the other (unnamed) bands came down to the hotel lobby and proudly announced he’d trashed his room. When everyone went up to see (since they’d all heard of that kind of behavior, but none of them had ever gotten up the courage to do it), they found that “he had torn up a complimentary copy of The Guardian. And his manager made him clean it up afterwards.” ---
**Author:** ![TCMF-2L](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tcmf-2l/32/16553_2.png) [@TCMF-2L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TCMF-2L)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/108 "2015-02-10T12:14:35Z")
Richard Coles who later became a Church of England Priest… Clearly a Rock Star who never sold his soul to the Devil. > **[Richard Coles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Coles)** > > Richard Keith Robert Coles FRSA FKC (born 26 March 1962) is an English writer, radio presenter and Church of England clergyman who was the vicar of Finedon in Northamptonshire from 2011 to 2022. He first came to prominence as the multi-instrumentalist who partnered Jimmy Somerville in the 1980s band the Communards. They achieved three UK top ten hits, including the No. 1 record and best-selling single of 1986, a dance version of "Don't Leave Me This Way". > Coles frequently appears on radio and... TCMF-2L ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/109 "2015-02-10T17:47:49Z")
> [@Annoying\_Buzz](#): > > Not a specific anti-rock star, but Richard Coles, formerly of the Communards, told an anecdote on _QI_ about touring together with several other bands. One morning a member of one of the other (unnamed) bands came down to the hotel lobby and proudly announced he’d trashed his room. When everyone went up to see (since they’d all heard of that kind of behavior, but none of them had ever gotten up the courage to do it), they found that “he had torn up a complimentary copy of The Guardian. And his manager made him clean it up afterwards.” In the early 1990s, I had a pen pal (remember those?) who lived in the Deep South, and Bon Jovi played in her area. A local TV station went to the hotel where they stayed and asked the management how many thousands of dollars of damage they caused. The head of housekeeping looked at the reporter like he was nuts, and said they didn’t even leave their towels on the floor! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/110 "2015-02-10T18:21:38Z")
And just in case Keith Moon isn’t enough trouble by himself, let’s mix in a little Iggy. I assume that an exhausted road manager is just out of this picture, checkbook already in hand. [http://www.voicesofeastanglia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Keith-Moon-and-Iggy-Pop.jpg](http://www.voicesofeastanglia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Keith-Moon-and-Iggy-Pop.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677/111 "2015-02-11T05:18:02Z")
The Go-Go’s were later revealed to be rather…wild. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/who-best-epitomized-the-out-of-control-lifestyle-of-rock-and-roll/708677.md?page=5)